Modified Stock Suspension
#166
Finally made it to Mosport track day today with TPC's DSC and been there previously a number of times with car on damptonics. All I can say is amazing!!! Mosport is a very fast track( fastest in North America) and the module is clearly the best mod I have spent money on. There are two off camber high speed corners that used to be a little white knuckle but no more. Car is amazingly planted and absorbs the bumps and curbs without disturbing the balance. The handling is much more confidence inspiring versus holding on for dear life. I was mainly on mode 3 and impressed at my ability to focus on getting the perfect line and pushing harder versus fighting the car to keep on track. TPC has a major winner and I will guarantee anyone who installs this and tries the before and after especially on track will be amazed!!! Thanks TPC for making my track days more enjoyable and faster.Next up sway bars!!! Thanks again TPC!!!
#168
Hi Mike,
1. The stock PASM system is *also* active; it also adjusts to road condition, lateral and "longitudinal" acceleration, etc., and adjusts stiffness, etc. of suspension system accordingly, supposedly. (In reality of course, as we already know drivers feel seemingly only 2 modes, too soft at PASM Normal and rock hard/jittery with PASM Sport.) So to best of my knowledge, the TPC PASM module doesn't "make" the system active, it is just better management of the stock already-active system, namely better management of the dampening force. Harris pls correct me if I am wrong.
2. IMHO, failure of damper is usually leaking of the damper piston mechanism, in this sense, a PASM damper is not prone any more to failure than non PASM damper. IOW, the piston moves up and down the same in reaction to road bumps, not any more or any less frequent. It is ONLY the damping force that is varied in a PASM system.
So in short, IMHO no there should not be any more wear and tear.
Last edited by cannga; 06-06-2014 at 09:20 AM.
#169
DSC does not cause any more wear and tear to the shocks. They are designed to handle what our program is demanding.
#170
Finally made it to Mosport track day today with TPC's DSC and been there previously a number of times with car on damptonics. All I can say is amazing!!! Mosport is a very fast track( fastest in North America) and the module is clearly the best mod I have spent money on. There are two off camber high speed corners that used to be a little white knuckle but no more. Car is amazingly planted and absorbs the bumps and curbs without disturbing the balance. The handling is much more confidence inspiring versus holding on for dear life. I was mainly on mode 3 and impressed at my ability to focus on getting the perfect line and pushing harder versus fighting the car to keep on track. TPC has a major winner and I will guarantee anyone who installs this and tries the before and after especially on track will be amazed!!! Thanks TPC for making my track days more enjoyable and faster.Next up sway bars!!! Thanks again TPC!!!
#171
Hi Mike,
1. The stock PASM system is *also* active; it also adjusts to road condition, lateral and "longitudinal" acceleration, etc., and adjusts stiffness, etc. of suspension system accordingly, supposedly. (In reality of course, as we already know drivers feel seemingly only 2 modes, too soft at PASM Normal and rock hard/jittery with PASM Sport.) So to best of my knowledge, the TPC PASM module doesn't "make" the system active, it is just better management of the stock already-active system, namely better management of the dampening force. Harris pls correct me if I am wrong.
2. IMHO, failure of damper is usually leaking of the damper piston mechanism, in this sense, a PASM damper is not prone any more to failure than non PASM damper. IOW, the piston moves up and down the same in reaction to road bumps, not any more or any less frequent. It is ONLY the damping force that is varied in a PASM system.
So in short, IMHO no there should not be any more wear and tear.
1. The stock PASM system is *also* active; it also adjusts to road condition, lateral and "longitudinal" acceleration, etc., and adjusts stiffness, etc. of suspension system accordingly, supposedly. (In reality of course, as we already know drivers feel seemingly only 2 modes, too soft at PASM Normal and rock hard/jittery with PASM Sport.) So to best of my knowledge, the TPC PASM module doesn't "make" the system active, it is just better management of the stock already-active system, namely better management of the dampening force. Harris pls correct me if I am wrong.
2. IMHO, failure of damper is usually leaking of the damper piston mechanism, in this sense, a PASM damper is not prone any more to failure than non PASM damper. IOW, the piston moves up and down the same in reaction to road bumps, not any more or any less frequent. It is ONLY the damping force that is varied in a PASM system.
So in short, IMHO no there should not be any more wear and tear.
Hi Cannga
Thanks for the informative post! I was under the impression stock= static and TPC= Dynamic. However this is not he case so it should not necessarily increase wear and tear.
#172
After 2 sessions at Watkins Glen, all I can say is wow. I forgot to bring the old box to do real comparisons. But last year I was doing 2:10s with R6s. Running R888s today, which I haven't been a fan of, and banging out 2:11s with traffic. Every corner seems predictable, I bet I can best my time if I can find a groove with open track. Looking at track data, leaving time here and there. Been only in mode 3 since I'm having so much fun, haven't tried mode 2 yet.
Someone is going to having sell me on how much faster I can get with coilovers. Car seems pretty good right now.
Someone is going to having sell me on how much faster I can get with coilovers. Car seems pretty good right now.
#174
Considering I have placed my order for complete Stage 2 RSS Tarmac suspension components (more like stage 3 with everything else I have and other added RSS goodies), arriving in about 3 weeks - this is a no briner to get my car to be the stickiest piece of metal this side of the sun!
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#176
After 3 days at track, I have to believe my better performances had something to do with the updated DSC/PASM. I did forget to mention I changed my alignment -2.5F/-1.9R. Besides a turbo overheating issue, I couldn't have had more fun at the Glen. I know I could have saved $ on the group buy but at this speed of signups, I wouldn't get it for a while.
I finished off my R888s and R6s will be here tomorrow, next up Mt Tremblant.
I finished off my R888s and R6s will be here tomorrow, next up Mt Tremblant.
#177
I've been waiting for a group buy since the start of this thread back in Dec 2013. I couldn't hold out any longer and picked it up two months ago. (It's worth it!) Not sure have others done the same.
#178
I've not had a chance to drive on anything but city streets and highways, but here are my impressions:
The floaty stock suspension is gone (!)
The three suspension settings are much closer together than the too soft and too hard stock settings.
Installation was easy, although no instructions were provided. See quick write up below.
TPC was friendly and shipped fast, but for $20 in shipping on a $1200 module, I would have hoped for better than ground shipping (1.5 weeks to left coast)
So far, so good. Have a track day later this month.
The DSC unit is located above the passenger footwell, in between the soft liner under the glovebox. No tools are needed. You need to reuse the plastic clip on the stock DSC unit. Ignition off, I did not disconnect battery. Unclip single plug from stock and replace with TPC unit. That's it. Took me 20 min since I didn't have any instructions. Will take 3 minutes now.
#179
I also gave up on the group buy and purchased last week.
I've not had a chance to drive on anything but city streets and highways, but here are my impressions:
The floaty stock suspension is gone (!)
The three suspension settings are much closer together than the too soft and too hard stock settings.
Installation was easy, although no instructions were provided. See quick write up below.
TPC was friendly and shipped fast, but for $20 in shipping on a $1200 module, I would have hoped for better than ground shipping (1.5 weeks to left coast)
The DSC unit is located above the passenger footwell, in between the soft liner under the glovebox. No tools are needed. You need to reuse the plastic clip on the stock DSC unit. Ignition off, I did not disconnect battery. Unclip single plug from stock and replace with TPC unit. That's it. Took me 20 min since I didn't have any instructions. Will take 3 minutes now.
I've not had a chance to drive on anything but city streets and highways, but here are my impressions:
The floaty stock suspension is gone (!)
The three suspension settings are much closer together than the too soft and too hard stock settings.
Installation was easy, although no instructions were provided. See quick write up below.
TPC was friendly and shipped fast, but for $20 in shipping on a $1200 module, I would have hoped for better than ground shipping (1.5 weeks to left coast)
The DSC unit is located above the passenger footwell, in between the soft liner under the glovebox. No tools are needed. You need to reuse the plastic clip on the stock DSC unit. Ignition off, I did not disconnect battery. Unclip single plug from stock and replace with TPC unit. That's it. Took me 20 min since I didn't have any instructions. Will take 3 minutes now.
Which setting do you like the best on city streets?
#180
Considering I have placed my order for complete Stage 2 RSS Tarmac suspension components (more like stage 3 with everything else I have and other added RSS goodies), arriving in about 3 weeks - this is a no briner to get my car to be the stickiest piece of metal this side of the sun!
...I'm in!
1. Pureporsche (Mike), '07 997.1 TT
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