Well usually you are put in groups that are based on experience, so it's mostly true. However certain brands tend to attract better drivers. Vipers usually do NOT, Corvette's have quite a few VERY talented drivers and many many slow ones. IMO BMW's and GT3's attract the most talented drivers on average because they communicate the best with them. That being said, there is only so much the drivers can do vs an ACR even decently driven on America's HP hungry tracks.

ONLY because Porsche will not allow the Turbo to be faster. They have been doing this for years.

The GT3 is on R-compound tires and the Turbo on regular street tires. Put the Turbo on the Dunlops Sport Maxx or Michelin Sport Cups and it's under 7:20 and running with the 997 GT2 RS, GTR, ZR1 etc.

I.E. blowing the doors off of the GT3.

They do this to leave a market for thet GT2. If the Turbo is running with the big boys, then Porsche can't charge an extra 20-30k over the Turbo S for a GT2 and then more on top of that for an RS version. Capitalism at it's finest.

The smart guy buys a Turbo, tune's it and put's R-comps on it and saves a ton of money and runs with everything.

 

I cannot argue with this.

But, I suspect there is a reason this is... (actually a few)

 

Impressive lap time! No doubt the TT runs with the worlds top guns and at the same time shines as a daily.

 

Impressive indeed

 

This is a pretty ignorant statement. It is an extremely uneducated conclusion that driver skill be based on what brands they are attracted too. Also your statement about a TT being the smarter choice simply because of the HP advantage and available modding opportunities over a GT3. The real reason is that the GT3 is quicker around a track is due to its much lighter weight, which effects braking distance and cornering throughout the circuit. Also the gt3 has shorter gears and better aero dynamics. It's really a purists choice that wants the closest thing to a Porsche race car, minus RS.

Seems apparent that you are the typical slow guy slugging around the corners that mashes the throttle to pass everyone on the straights.

Good work Jimmie Johnson!

 

I don't know about the brands stuff, but HC makes a good point about the tt testing with street tires vs Rs.

 

i thought it would be faster then that. behind the shrotly to be outdated C6 platform and the GT-R. GTR and the Vettes have amazing times but for a new TT-S coming out years after those times were set and be 10 seconds behind ..... mehhhh

 

You may want to click this link and read a little before throwing around words like "ignorant" and "uneducated". https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...es-thread.html

 

What makes the GT-R so good ?
I see other AWD, same or more power, doble clutch trannies, better aero, etc...
What really makes it so damn faster around the ring ? And I could believe 1 or 2 seconds to comparable car, but 10 or more seconds ?

 

gtr is total package. hi power with huge grip. handling is very predictable and makes driver comfortable and confident to push hard to the max. thats the key on a crazy course like ring.

 

IMO we're much better off comparing Motor Trends lap times at (Mazda Raceway) Laguna Seca. The driver skill level is always high (typically R. Pobst), the conditions are usually very good AND consistent and it's a great comparison of the car's capability on a mid-range/high speed track.

This is versus the 'Ring (great test track though) with much more variance in conditions, driver skill (and confidence), etc. Keep in mind Porsche has 7:22 ALL OVER the 918 Spyder literature and it should blow that time away too...

The GT-R is said to have a very high confidence level and it beat the Turbo around MRLS. Notably, on the Buttonwillow (iirc) it was the only car to beat a 2010 Ducati 1199R (or S?) and beat a 458 as well.

Check out the top 20 and notice the 997 TT is missing, being slower...

 

Very good point

 

True well said and well stated , but if you want a fully loaded turbo I advice you go with the turbo s cause most of the chargeable options on the turbo are standard on the turbo s

 

I believe that Porsche is keeping the turbo slow-ish on purpose. Here are some food for thought points:

1-They make almost the same power with the turbos as with the GT3. That alone makes no sense. The same engine boosted to 1.4bar should be able to make tons more power than the non-boosted engine. Just look what an aftermarket tune do to these cars! Porsche lets a lot of power on the table.

2-They put all-season tires on the Turbo and R-compound on the GT3. It makes sense in a way, because the GT3 is the "track" car. But they could put r-compound tires on the TurboS or at least give it the option. As many said, that would make a huge difference.

3-With a seven speed PDK, why not shorten the gearing a bit? Longer gears make the car accelerate a bit slower.

4-Chassis setting is soft-ish. With more power, shorter gearing and r-compound tires, the Turbo could really use more track oriented settings.

If you put 1-2-3-4 together, you'd have one hell of a Turbo. But again, the goal of the turbo is to be a fast GT, not the fastest track car. However, if they wanted, they could make a Turbo RS and it could be brilliant. It might even beat the mighty GTR.

As long as the Porsche flagship is the GT3, Porsche will be slower than the competition. It is just so easy for Nissan to turn up the boost on the GTR. The day Porsche decides it's over and that they decide to regain the 'ring crown, they will need the Turbo and more power, and better tires, and better gearing and better chassis settings.

If they really wanted to set a time, they'd also use real aerodynamcis like the late Viper ACR (huge splitter, flat bottom, diffuser, large wing mounted high). Or maybe they could nothing because who cares that some car, driven by some guy, on some day is a few seconds faster?

 

There is no way this last statement true.

On another note, I'd disagree that the GT3 is the 911 flagship. I'd think either the Turbo S (being priced $50k more), or the GT2RS (considerably more) would be the pinnacle of the current 911.