991 to last 14 years?!
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09-28-2011 | 11:39 PM
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That is so true! I've been sitting on the sidelines over these discussions and I totally agree. I will be shopping for a new vehicle in the next 18 months and I am anxiously awaiting new Porsche products that fit with my lifestyle. A 991 is out of the equation for me now, but a baby Pan or Cayenne would work very well for me. No other high end auto maufacturer has the fit, finish and overall qaulity than Porsche. I drive a BMW X5 right now and it is going once the warranty expires. I have no problem owning a Porshce out of warranty. I've owned 5 Porsches in the past 10 years and never a problem. I can not say that about any other vehicle I've owned. Just wish I kept one of them!
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09-29-2011 | 12:21 AM
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According to a few of my normal auto websites. Link to one of the articles below. Also includes information on introduction cadence of other models.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/p...ed-turbo-engi/
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/p...ed-turbo-engi/
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09-29-2011 | 04:25 AM
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Actually had 3 at the same time with some overlap, had a Cayenne and Boxtster, 997 and Cayenne, then just the 997. I leased for business. But, I've had BMW and MB, both with problems that kept going to the dealer for the latest fix. I agree with Larry, I really hope they don't dilute the brand or cheapen the cars in any way. These cars are very special.
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09-29-2011 | 04:42 AM
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If that article is correct, 520HP in a 2013 991TT is a huge disappointment to me personally. I passed on a custom 2012TTS coupe with the expectation that Porsche would continue being competitive in the never ending HP wars. It seems to me that Porsche has abdicated its role as the vaunted leader in this area. The 2001 996TT had 415HP when a 99 360 Modena had 395 or so. The 2005 996TTS had 450HP. The 2005 F430 had approx. 483HP. The 2007 997TT had 480HP. The 2011 997TTS has 530HP and the 2010 458 has approx. 580 plus HP. Us longtime TT owners have felt that Porsche has held its own in the "HP wars" as their HP #'s were conservative or underestimated. Porsche should take a history lesson and and up the ante with the 991TT or longtime TT owners like myself will simply jump ship. With all due respect to the Porsche technicos, lighter weight and some new gadgets won't get me to spend $175K on the next TT if its powerplant is underpowered viz a vis the competition. I love my 997TT but I really hoped that the 991TT would be a monumental HP leap that would compel me to dump my 997. Here's hoping that the 520 figure is erroneous. IMHO the 991TT should have AT LEAST 30HP more than the 997TTS.
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09-29-2011 | 05:15 PM
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If that article is correct, 520HP in a 2013 991TT is a huge disappointment to me personally. I passed on a custom 2012TTS coupe with the expectation that Porsche would continue being competitive in the never ending HP wars. It seems to me that Porsche has abdicated its role as the vaunted leader in this area. The 2001 996TT had 415HP when a 99 360 Modena had 395 or so. The 2005 996TTS had 450HP. The 2005 F430 had approx. 483HP. The 2007 997TT had 480HP. The 2011 997TTS has 530HP and the 2010 458 has approx. 580 plus HP. Us longtime TT owners have felt that Porsche has held its own in the "HP wars" as their HP #'s were conservative or underestimated. Porsche should take a history lesson and and up the ante with the 991TT or longtime TT owners like myself will simply jump ship. With all due respect to the Porsche technicos, lighter weight and some new gadgets won't get me to spend $175K on the next TT if its powerplant is underpowered viz a vis the competition. I love my 997TT but I really hoped that the 991TT would be a monumental HP leap that would compel me to dump my 997. Here's hoping that the 520 figure is erroneous. IMHO the 991TT should have AT LEAST 30HP more than the 997TTS.
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
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09-29-2011 | 05:32 PM
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I've read the same arguments in the F10 M5 vs AMG/RS6 etc discussions and, I'm sorry to say, I cannot for the life of me understand it. "I won't buy this car if it has X hp less than that car".
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
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09-30-2011 | 09:13 AM
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I love how Porsche is saying and leaking everything to get people to buy now.
1. This 911 will last 14 years.
2. This may be the last 911.
3. The Turbo will only have 520 HP.
4. The 991 GT series won't have PDK.
On and on, all about getting people to buy now.
I'm pretty sure that the above 4 statements will all be incorrect in due time.
Nice work Porsche.
1. This 911 will last 14 years.
2. This may be the last 911.
3. The Turbo will only have 520 HP.
4. The 991 GT series won't have PDK.
On and on, all about getting people to buy now.
I'm pretty sure that the above 4 statements will all be incorrect in due time.
Nice work Porsche.
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09-30-2011 | 10:00 AM
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If that article is correct, 520HP in a 2013 991TT is a huge disappointment to me personally. I passed on a custom 2012TTS coupe with the expectation that Porsche would continue being competitive in the never ending HP wars. It seems to me that Porsche has abdicated its role as the vaunted leader in this area. The 2001 996TT had 415HP when a 99 360 Modena had 395 or so. The 2005 996TTS had 450HP. The 2005 F430 had approx. 483HP. The 2007 997TT had 480HP. The 2011 997TTS has 530HP and the 2010 458 has approx. 580 plus HP. Us longtime TT owners have felt that Porsche has held its own in the "HP wars" as their HP #'s were conservative or underestimated. Porsche should take a history lesson and and up the ante with the 991TT or longtime TT owners like myself will simply jump ship. With all due respect to the Porsche technicos, lighter weight and some new gadgets won't get me to spend $175K on the next TT if its powerplant is underpowered viz a vis the competition. I love my 997TT but I really hoped that the 991TT would be a monumental HP leap that would compel me to dump my 997. Here's hoping that the 520 figure is erroneous. IMHO the 991TT should have AT LEAST 30HP more than the 997TTS.
The 991TT will cost $175K, the 458 costs $300K.
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09-30-2011 | 10:04 AM
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i've read the same arguments in the f10 m5 vs amg/rs6 etc discussions and, i'm sorry to say, i cannot for the life of me understand it. "i won't buy this car if it has x hp less than that car".
If cars only existed on paper, the nissan gtr would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 italia both in a straight line and around the ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
If cars only existed on paper, the nissan gtr would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 italia both in a straight line and around the ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
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09-30-2011 | 11:16 AM
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I think this is one of the most interesting things about that article.
"The 911 Targa is tipped to go back in late 2013 or early 2014 from its sliding glass roof to a more conventional removable panel"
I think it's kinda cool that they want to go back to the original Targa top design. Hopefully it doesn't leak like a sieve the way the original Targa's did
I also hope it's a folding hardtop instead of the original Targa's softtop.
"The 911 Targa is tipped to go back in late 2013 or early 2014 from its sliding glass roof to a more conventional removable panel"
I think it's kinda cool that they want to go back to the original Targa top design. Hopefully it doesn't leak like a sieve the way the original Targa's did
I also hope it's a folding hardtop instead of the original Targa's softtop.
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09-30-2011 | 03:46 PM
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I've read the same arguments in the F10 M5 vs AMG/RS6 etc discussions and, I'm sorry to say, I cannot for the life of me understand it. "I won't buy this car if it has X hp less than that car".
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.
Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?
I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..
Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?
I think where Porsche may be headed is different. The 991 has only 15HP more than my car, but is 100lbs lighter. Initially i was "disappointed" but i like this direction. The GTR may have the same HP as a TTs but if the new one weighs a lot less, that would be just fine by me. The GTR weighs 10,000 pounds or something like that
The 991TT will cost $175K, the 458 costs $300K.
The 991TT will cost $175K, the 458 costs $300K.
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09-30-2011 | 04:46 PM
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Cmmon guys. Give Porsche some credit. They want to sell cars. Why would they inform competition about what bhp their car will have in 2013? Either the 991tt will have the equivallent amount of bhp as the competition at the release date, or they will be faster with smaller amounts of bhp. The Panamera tt has 500 bhp, the cls 63 amg pp has 557 bhp. Still the PTT blows the competition away with ease. When the 991tt will arrive, it will be the kimg of the road again. That is how it has been and will be in the future =)
I think they are counting 14 years from 1997-2011. Who cares how old the platform of the car is. Lamborghini used the derivative of thesame v12 engine from the birth of the company until the arrival of the Avantador. Still they seemed to be doing ok.
The 991s goes around the Nirburgring as fast as an old turbo. The 991tt will be a beast, trust me.
I think they are counting 14 years from 1997-2011. Who cares how old the platform of the car is. Lamborghini used the derivative of thesame v12 engine from the birth of the company until the arrival of the Avantador. Still they seemed to be doing ok.
The 991s goes around the Nirburgring as fast as an old turbo. The 991tt will be a beast, trust me.
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10-01-2011 | 04:04 AM
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I wouldnt call this a reliable source. It might be true, or then again not. We hope it is, because then all the others have to follow =)
www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-gt-r-2013.html
www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-gt-r-2013.html
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10-01-2011 | 10:39 AM
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I wouldnt call this a reliable source. It might be true, or then again not. We hope it is, because then all the others have to follow =)
www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-gt-r-2013.html
www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-gt-r-2013.html
But that's what I was suggesting. If Nissan goes up to 570, and Porsche does not, things will look different soon.
To keep up, Porsche may have to advance the PDK in the 991. I believe the power in the Turbo should be inline with the GT-R (this has happened so far).