Originally Posted by Zlaatan

So you wouldn't buy it because other cars, who might end up being slower than the Porsche, has more hp?..

But why is it better if:
(1) the 991 weighs the same or more than the 997, has the same driveline and 50-60hp more

vs

(2) it being 200lb lighter and having some trick suspension, gearbox etc and having the same amount of hp?

My view is that Nr2 is better in every way, except in the pub when you're talking to your mates. Or when you discuss hp on the internet...
I guess you disagree.

Would you not buy the 991TT over some other car if the TT ends up having 40hp less than said car and is .3 sec slower to 60mph?
How often do you do standing starts at the red light, and is .3 sec that important when you do that?
Is the number next to the HP column in the manual more important to you than looks, heritage, handling, sound, comfort, real world performance etc etc etc etc???

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Originally Posted by Rodsky

Very good point. I have a 385HP Porsche that performs better than many cars with 500HP. It does 0-60 in 4.1 seconds (thanks PDK), goes around corners great, handles beutifully etc. I dont mind that someone in an M5 or M6 has 500HP or that an M3 has 414HP or a C63 has 450HP or the ISF has 420HP (or whatever it has). I know my car is a better performer. It can hold its own off the line and when we have to turn, goodbye.

Originally Posted by mikegr

Thats because these cars weight 1800-1900 kg.
Note however that M6 has 205 miles top speed, which means this extra power has an effect...

Originally Posted by uhn2000

Good points, I did not mean any disrespect to you or Nissan - they make great cars. Yes I am alive and still don't see anyone cross shopping a new 911 Turbo and GTR.

Originally Posted by tortesq1

Zlaatan,

I will buy a 2013 991TT even if it is not THE fastest car at its pricepoint or if it doesn't have the best power/weight ratio. However, I will not be buying a 2013 991TT if it isn't competitive with all of the cars you mentioned. I can't argue with your point that HP alone does not make a good performer. If I agreed I wouldn't be a TT owner - I'd own a ZR1 or Viper. While #'s never tell the whole story, I think it is absolutely critical that Porsche take the lead in producing a competitive car with Ferrari and Lambo. When the 458 and Gallardo produce 570-580 HP why shouldn't Porsche ? To say that #'s are literally irrelevant seems disingenuous.
When I had my 03 X50 I felt like I ruled the road "box stock" (ie. no mods). With my 07 I lost that feeling a bit vs. the F430. I want that feeling back again. I want the feeling that, even though she is my DD, I rule the road. While I don't expect to beat a Bugatti Veyron, I do expect my steed to hold her own. The mere fact that the GTR is competitive with the 997TT demonstrates my point. I want the next TT to surpass the GTR and all comers - including the 458 and McClaren. Why is it that you can't feel your cars emotion and also be one of the fastest rides out there ?

Originally Posted by tortesq1

Chris,

I was under the impression that the 991TT would be out sooner (ie. end of 2012 as a 2013 model) so I decided to give up my build slot on the 2012TTS. However, all indications are that the new 991TT will be out in 2013 as a 2014 model. My lease is up in June, 2012 so I am stuck with either buying my 997.1TT with a $57K plus buyback (it should have about 56K-58K miles on her by then) which is a likely money loser or going without a TT for approx. 1-1 1/2 years until the new 991TT arrives (which is an unacceptable emotional situation for me). I don't think the new 991TT will be any more "exciting" than your TTS. The fact is that our DD's just don't generate the thrill factor of a 458 winding out to 9000RPM, BUT how many Ferrari's do you see every morning in bumper to bumper traffic on the LIE or BQE ? Fuggedaboutit !!! The bottom line is that we need a bullet proof DD and I'm going to have a big decision to make very soon.

Originally Posted by Zlaatan

I've read the same arguments in the F10 M5 vs AMG/RS6 etc discussions and, I'm sorry to say, I cannot for the life of me understand it. "I won't buy this car if it has X hp less than that car".
If cars only existed on paper, the Nissan GTR would probably be the slowest sportscar in the world considering it's hp and weight. Instead, it kills the lighter, more powerful 458 Italia both in a straight line and around the Ring.

Why is the hp number so important? Isn't the performance numbers what you want to look at? Isn't the way the car makes you feel more important? The way it drives, the way it looks?

I know it is the internet, but the two most talked about topics when it comes to buying and comparing cars seems to be hp and 0-60, 0-100mph numbers..

Does everyone on the internet live on a drag strip?