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Old 09-28-2011 | 10:15 AM
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991 to last 14 years?!

According to a few of my normal auto websites. Link to one of the articles below. Also includes information on introduction cadence of other models.

http://www.autoblog.com/2011/09/27/p...ed-turbo-engi/
 
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Although I disagree... (not entirely)

One could argue the 996, 997.1, .2, 991 are all just evolutions of each other.

So one could easily suggest that the previous cycle was about as long, with improvements every so often.
 
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If that article is correct, 520HP in a 2013 991TT is a huge disappointment to me personally. I passed on a custom 2012TTS coupe with the expectation that Porsche would continue being competitive in the never ending HP wars. It seems to me that Porsche has abdicated its role as the vaunted leader in this area. The 2001 996TT had 415HP when a 99 360 Modena had 395 or so. The 2005 996TTS had 450HP. The 2005 F430 had approx. 483HP. The 2007 997TT had 480HP. The 2011 997TTS has 530HP and the 2010 458 has approx. 580 plus HP. Us longtime TT owners have felt that Porsche has held its own in the "HP wars" as their HP #'s were conservative or underestimated. Porsche should take a history lesson and and up the ante with the 991TT or longtime TT owners like myself will simply jump ship. With all due respect to the Porsche technicos, lighter weight and some new gadgets won't get me to spend $175K on the next TT if its powerplant is underpowered viz a vis the competition. I love my 997TT but I really hoped that the 991TT would be a monumental HP leap that would compel me to dump my 997. Here's hoping that the 520 figure is erroneous. IMHO the 991TT should have AT LEAST 30HP more than the 997TTS.
 
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If that article is correct, 520HP in a 2013 991TT is a huge disappointment to me personally. I passed on a custom 2012TTS coupe with the expectation that Porsche would continue being competitive in the never ending HP wars. It seems to me that Porsche has abdicated its role as the vaunted leader in this area. The 2001 996TT had 415HP when a 99 360 Modena had 395 or so. The 2005 996TTS had 450HP. The 2005 F430 had approx. 483HP. The 2007 997TT had 480HP. The 2011 997TTS has 530HP and the 2010 458 has approx. 580 plus HP. Us longtime TT owners have felt that Porsche has held its own in the "HP wars" as their HP #'s were conservative or underestimated. Porsche should take a history lesson and and up the ante with the 991TT or longtime TT owners like myself will simply jump ship. With all due respect to the Porsche technicos, lighter weight and some new gadgets won't get me to spend $175K on the next TT if its powerplant is underpowered viz a vis the competition. I love my 997TT but I really hoped that the 991TT would be a monumental HP leap that would compel me to dump my 997. Here's hoping that the 520 figure is erroneous. IMHO the 991TT should have AT LEAST 30HP more than the 997TTS.
I had not considered this... With the 458 making ~570HP, and the 2013 GT-R coming with 570HP, we would expect the TT to come out with a similar number.
 
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I think this is similar to the 996/997 family. Same basic platform available for a VERY LONG time. Each had a minor mid-cycle refresh with a single major model refresh (996->997) in the middle. I would assume a 991 refresh in 4-5 years, then a major update 7-8 years out, but still utilizing the same basic 991 platform.
 
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The 2012 GTR makes 530hp as does the 2012 997TTS. While I'm not a fan of the GTR there is simply no denying it is pound for pound an extraordinary beast that rivals almost any car on the street. What has brought me back to Porsche is the level of customization when I build the car. You can't buy a GTR or ZR1 and get the stuff I like from the factory. That being said, its clear to me that a 520hp TT will not be enough to bring me back when they are charging so much. A friend told me I should wait a year and buy a 3 year old 458 for $200K instead of spending what will likely be $160K-$175K on a new 2013 991TT. Guess I'll wait and see what the marketers in Stuggart come up with.
 
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Originally Posted by dallascajun
I think this is similar to the 996/997 family. Same basic platform available for a VERY LONG time. Each had a minor mid-cycle refresh with a single major model refresh (996->997) in the middle. I would assume a 991 refresh in 4-5 years, then a major update 7-8 years out, but still utilizing the same basic 991 platform.
This is what I am hoping they are referring to as well. The 991 is very nice, but I really like anticipating the next 911. If it is really 14 years away, that is going to squash all of that fun.
 
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This is what I am hoping they are referring to as well. The 991 is very nice, but I really like anticipating the next 911. If it is really 14 years away, that is going to squash all of that fun.
They can't hear you over the money they are planning to make from it.

It may be good thing... Free up some revenue to develop that much of a better product perhaps?
 
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If it is indeed a full 14 years for the 991, and they are freeing up R&D money, could the 992, or whatever call number it gets, be the most radical departure we've seen?
 
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If it is indeed a full 14 years for the 991, and they are freeing up R&D money, could the 992, or whatever call number it gets, be the most radical departure we've seen?
A few things that we must all realize. With VW and Porsche more integrated then ever there is going to be a maximization of platforms across all brands with a new few icons to go against Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes. Porsche is going for the jugular - they have the engineering and brand panache to take a good swing at the Italian and German rivals. Audi and Lambo will not like it but VW has the baddest kid in town on their side now so expect a few things:

1) New baby Cayenne
2) New baby Panamera
3) New mid engine to rally 458
4) New GT type car..

They want to bring their car production up tremendously; they will have to introduce new models to do so. There is a gap there for customers with money looking for a brand statement and customized individuality that no other manufacturer can offer the way Porsche can.
 
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A few things that we must all realize. With VW and Porsche more integrated then ever there is going to be a maximization of platforms across all brands with a new few icons to go against Ferrari, BMW, and Mercedes. Porsche is going for the jugular - they have the engineering and brand panache to take a good swing at the Italian and German rivals. Audi and Lambo will not like it but VW has the baddest kid in town on their side now so expect a few things:

1) New baby Cayenne
2) New baby Panamera
3) New mid engine to rally 458
4) New GT type car..

They want to bring their car production up tremendously; they will have to introduce new models to do so. There is a gap there for customers with money looking for a brand statement and customized individuality that no other manufacturer can offer the way Porsche can.

That is so true! I've been sitting on the sidelines over these discussions and I totally agree. I will be shopping for a new vehicle in the next 18 months and I am anxiously awaiting new Porsche products that fit with my lifestyle. A 991 is out of the equation for me now, but a baby Pan or Cayenne would work very well for me. No other high end auto maufacturer has the fit, finish and overall qaulity than Porsche. I drive a BMW X5 right now and it is going once the warranty expires. I have no problem owning a Porshce out of warranty. I've owned 5 Porsches in the past 10 years and never a problem. I can not say that about any other vehicle I've owned. Just wish I kept one of them!
 

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Originally Posted by dallascajun
I think this is similar to the 996/997 family. Same basic platform available for a VERY LONG time. Each had a minor mid-cycle refresh with a single major model refresh (996->997) in the middle. I would assume a 991 refresh in 4-5 years, then a major update 7-8 years out, but still utilizing the same basic 991 platform.

+1! it´s the platform that will last for 14 years, similar to the 996/997.
 
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Originally Posted by dallascajun
I think this is similar to the 996/997 family. Same basic platform available for a VERY LONG time. Each had a minor mid-cycle refresh with a single major model refresh (996->997) in the middle. I would assume a 991 refresh in 4-5 years, then a major update 7-8 years out, but still utilizing the same basic 991 platform.
I agree with this. I think miscommunication happened here between the source and the author of the article.
 
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They want to bring their car production up tremendously; they will have to introduce new models to do so. There is a gap there for customers with money looking for a brand statement and customized individuality that no other manufacturer can offer the way Porsche can.
BMW tried this in the last decade . They added the 1 and 6 series along with the x3 , X5, X6, added Mini , and Rolls Royce .. and then cherry picked numbers to declare record sales .In fact if one looked at the 5 and 7 series at that time (with it's "Bangled" design) it wasn't outselling the former car .

In order to get a real accurate number it's my opinion that one would have to compare the numbers on the pre existing cars (only) to see how well each model is selling.

Designing and building new cars cost money and in the soft economy with high priced cars that's a huge business risk. Add to this that entry level models priced for the mass purchase caters to an entirely different shopper . Throw in lease deals and and a more fickle short term consumer and this points at a huge move from the traditional Porsche buyer .

Either thse guys making the decisions are very smart or they are very clueless but one thing is crucial .. the cars can not be cheapened in any way .
 


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