Engineering has killed the 911
#62
10-20-2011, 05:34 PM
a new, sub cayman/boxster model, codenamed 551 is already on the way.
and i am sure it is not the last small(er) model:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...announced.html
and i am sure it is not the last small(er) model:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...announced.html
Actually, if it comes out, I'd take a closer look at it.
#64
10-25-2011, 07:19 AM
I've been thinking of what has been done right in the 991. If I dwell on what went wrong, I would never look at any porsche past 964. I hope Porsche has found solutions for the IMS and 2nd gear pop out that has plagued their Carreras. I know it would be a long shot to have the rms issue fixed but I will definately go for a test drive when they reach Austin and if I can get past the electronic steering or the non-sliding tail. I may put a deposit on one.
#65
10-31-2011, 06:40 PM
I've been thinking of what has been done right in the 991. If I dwell on what went wrong, I would never look at any porsche past 964. I hope Porsche has found solutions for the IMS and 2nd gear pop out that has plagued their Carreras. I know it would be a long shot to have the rms issue fixed but I will definately go for a test drive when they reach Austin and if I can get past the electronic steering or the non-sliding tail. I may put a deposit on one.
I think part of the overall issue is that sometimes people just get tired of things and need to move on for the sake of change. Maybe moving on works best or sometimes it creates a greater appreciation for what we have had. I almost moved to a Db9 and a few others because I had already gone through several P car variants and thought it time for something different. In the end I stay with Porsche because I could not think of any times the cars have really let me down.
Maybe not the most extravagantly appointed interior on the road but it works, maybe not the most modern shape in the world but you know what it is when you see it and it doesn't have to say "look at me" all the time, maybe not the fastest high end sports car out there but near the top of the group, and maybe not the most reliable and affordable maintenance wise or maybe it is, not so bad. I'll stay with them for now.
JS
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10-31-2011, 08:00 PM
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Porsche had no choice to change and adapt if it was going to survive. The 964 almost put the company under. The 993 saved it but it was only a temporary measure. Porsche was basically using the same engineering in the original 911 through the 993. It was getting too expensive to build and modify to meet ever more stringent emissions and fuel consumption requirements. Porsche turned to the Japanese to learn how to build a quality car that did not cost a fortune. If Porsche had used it's existing expertise the 996 would have cost over $100,000 to build. Porsche was also concerned about losing its 911 base of buyers (which was shrinking). They tested the new design build system on the Boxster which exceeded Porsche's expectations not only in sales but by expanding the buying base especially among women. The 996 experienced the same sales results and had the highest first time 911 buyers of any prior car in the series (but also the worst sales record for existing 911 owners). Although the new water cooled motor did have some major problems in the beginning. The GT2/GT3 variants (with the split case motor and the return to more tradition styling of the 997 brought existing 911 owners back into the showrooms. It is better to have the 991 in it's current form than not have one at all.
#67
10-31-2011, 08:14 PM
Porsche had no choice to change and adapt if it was going to survive. The 964 almost put the company under. The 993 saved it but it was only a temporary measure. Porsche was basically using the same engineering in the original 911 through the 993. It was getting too expensive to build and modify to meet ever more stringent emissions and fuel consumption requirements. Porsche turned to the Japanese to learn how to build a quality car that did not cost a fortune. If Porsche had used it's existing expertise the 996 would have cost over $100,000 to build. Porsche was also concerned about losing its 911 base of buyers (which was shrinking). They tested the new design build system on the Boxster which exceeded Porsche's expectations not only in sales but by expanding the buying base especially among women. The 996 experienced the same sales results and had the highest first time 911 buyers of any prior car in the series (but also the worst sales record for existing 911 owners). Although the new water cooled motor did have some major problems in the beginning. The GT2/GT3 variants (with the split case motor and the return to more tradition styling of the 997 brought existing 911 owners back into the showrooms. It is better to have the 991 in it's current form than not have one at all.
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They tested the new design build system on the Boxster which exceeded Porsche's expectations not only in sales but by expanding the buying base especially among women.
#68
11-01-2011, 03:30 AM
Porsche had no choice to change and adapt if it was going to survive. The 964 almost put the company under. The 993 saved it but it was only a temporary measure. Porsche was basically using the same engineering in the original 911 through the 993. It was getting too expensive to build and modify to meet ever more stringent emissions and fuel consumption requirements. Porsche turned to the Japanese to learn how to build a quality car that did not cost a fortune. If Porsche had used it's existing expertise the 996 would have cost over $100,000 to build. Porsche was also concerned about losing its 911 base of buyers (which was shrinking). They tested the new design build system on the Boxster which exceeded Porsche's expectations not only in sales but by expanding the buying base especially among women. The 996 experienced the same sales results and had the highest first time 911 buyers of any prior car in the series (but also the worst sales record for existing 911 owners). Although the new water cooled motor did have some major problems in the beginning. The GT2/GT3 variants (with the split case motor and the return to more tradition styling of the 997 brought existing 911 owners back into the showrooms. It is better to have the 991 in it's current form than not have one at all.
#69
11-01-2011, 12:51 PM
I'm hearing from Porsche NA people that the 991 will indeed take the route of being more of a tourer (I use that term somewhat loosely) and the new Cayman will ultimately get the motor it's deserved for many many years. Nothing earth-shattering in that prediction but it will be interesting to see just how far they take the Cayman over the next few cycles.
#70
11-02-2011, 09:13 AM
Do you remember reading about the driving experience of a 911, and then the first time you actually got in one?
As long as Porsche designs a vehicle that emphasizes performance, quality and driving experience I am happy. If they break the 911, they'll fix the 911.
When I read about the mid vs rear engine discussions, I just ask, do you want to play the game on normal or hard mode? At our weekend-warrior level, does it really matter whats faster? Apparently people who like the challenge make more money, hence the 911 premium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBrXft_p7Kg
As long as Porsche designs a vehicle that emphasizes performance, quality and driving experience I am happy. If they break the 911, they'll fix the 911.
When I read about the mid vs rear engine discussions, I just ask, do you want to play the game on normal or hard mode? At our weekend-warrior level, does it really matter whats faster? Apparently people who like the challenge make more money, hence the 911 premium.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBrXft_p7Kg
Last edited by texas355; 11-02-2011 at 12:29 PM.
#71
11-02-2011, 06:31 PM
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Rep Power: 36 I'm hearing from Porsche NA people that the 991 will indeed take the route of being more of a tourer (I use that term somewhat loosely) and the new Cayman will ultimately get the motor it's deserved for many many years. Nothing earth-shattering in that prediction but it will be interesting to see just how far they take the Cayman over the next few cycles.
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