Ahhh 997 GTS vs. 991 C2S
#61
Thanks for all of your input so far guys. I talked to my dealer again today, and they are unwilling to bring down the price of the 997 GTS down anymore, which is at $96,000. I've driven both the 997 and the 991 back to back many times and even though I do like the 991 more, I wouldn't mind driving the 997 for a few years IF the price was right.
As I said before, I will be leasing the car and with the GTS at $96,000, the monthly payment was only $200 different. With that kind of pricing, I am just going to order a 991 in a few months when my S65's lease is up. What is a fair price for the GTS? This will be my first Porsche and I don't know anything about the used market for these cars.
It seems like the $96,000 price for the GTS is kind of ridiculous, my dealer insisted that he was only going to be making like $4,000 with that deal...
How much do 997 turbos go for these days? I thought they went for sticker.
As I said before, I will be leasing the car and with the GTS at $96,000, the monthly payment was only $200 different. With that kind of pricing, I am just going to order a 991 in a few months when my S65's lease is up. What is a fair price for the GTS? This will be my first Porsche and I don't know anything about the used market for these cars.
It seems like the $96,000 price for the GTS is kind of ridiculous, my dealer insisted that he was only going to be making like $4,000 with that deal...
How much do 997 turbos go for these days? I thought they went for sticker.
The price of 96k doesn't reflect a good deal (imho) at this point in time given you can buy the new 991S for not a great deal more. As this car is S/H they either took it as a trade at a price or, it is a very well worn demo which still owes them a set figure. If they are stuck on 96 then evidently the importer is not going to provide a kickback to the dealer for that car. The dealer may well opt to hold their price at the moment due to delivery times on the new car as well as it being a special model however in todays reality the special model factor doesn't really amount to a great deal in a monetary sense when you weigh in all the factors.
So yes as a buyer you can go wrong on that car at that price imho. The dealer no doubt has the best chance of recovery being an official Porsche dealer in being able to sell the car on into the market. But the buyer won't have that same luxury the moment he drives that car off the floor.
Last edited by speed21; 02-18-2012 at 11:28 PM.
#62
#63
What is a fair price for the GTS then? I can't seem to find a good comparison online anywhere.
I did like the sound of the 991 much more than the GTS though . This is so hard.
I did like the sound of the 991 much more than the GTS though . This is so hard.
#64
And if you're open to a 997, I suggest not limiting yourself to the GTS. There are lots of variants and model years, and they're all good. A few months ago I drove a CPO base 997 in great shape with some nice options for around $42K. If I was starting from scratch, I could buy that car and be very satisfied.
If you're having a hard time deciding, as already suggested, take your time and enjoy the hunt. You can get the 991 whenever you want, and there are still plenty of 997s available. For that matter, the 996 isn't too shabby either.
#65
Then flip the car in your mind and think about that scenario.
Which is the more satisfying, monetarily, whatever. What decision makes you the most comfortable.
Sounds hokey but you are facing a tough dilemma. Both have their appeal. You gotta figure out where your soul is on this one. Because you definitely seem to prefer the 991 if all else was equal ($$). But the financial saving on the GTS is nice too.
Just to stir your brain a little, I've always liked this photo of a platinum silver GTS:
#66
#67
James - when you go to bed tonight, imagine in your head that you bought one or the other and consider if you are comfortable or regretful with that decision.
Then flip the car in your mind and think about that scenario.
Which is the more satisfying, monetarily, whatever. What decision makes you the most comfortable.
Sounds hokey but you are facing a tough dilemma. Both have their appeal. You gotta figure out where your soul is on this one. Because you definitely seem to prefer the 991 if all else was equal ($$). But the financial saving on the GTS is nice too.
Just to stir your brain a little, I've always liked this photo of a platinum silver GTS:
Then flip the car in your mind and think about that scenario.
Which is the more satisfying, monetarily, whatever. What decision makes you the most comfortable.
Sounds hokey but you are facing a tough dilemma. Both have their appeal. You gotta figure out where your soul is on this one. Because you definitely seem to prefer the 991 if all else was equal ($$). But the financial saving on the GTS is nice too.
Just to stir your brain a little, I've always liked this photo of a platinum silver GTS:
This is the car... (it kept uploading it upside down for some reason)
Last edited by mostlyjames; 02-18-2012 at 10:33 PM.
#68
It sounds 20K too heavy imo. Forgetting about what it may be worth today (assumed market price), as nice as it is the car is going to take a very big beating at one point not too far down the track because essentially it's just an upsec'd 997s which is secondary in performance to a 991, along with ageing. If the fire is burning in your pocket a good used TT at same or less dollars is a much safer bet imo. It has the wide body, the turbo cred and most options that car has anyway and will hold its desirability longer. The dealer is relying purely on the novelty factor of that particular car along with delivery times of the new 991 to recover their outlay therefore hope someone impatient will come in and shift the liability for them.
Last edited by speed21; 02-18-2012 at 11:44 PM.
#69
The likely reason why e dealer won't budge is that he will make more money selling you the 991 tha. The GTS. It sou ds like you tipped your hand with him. If you want the GTS, tell him you are looking nationally for I and you might be surprised on the price.
With that said, get the 991!
With that said, get the 991!
#70
The likely reason why e dealer won't budge is that he will make more money selling you the 991 tha. The GTS. It sou ds like you tipped your hand with him. If you want the GTS, tell him you are looking nationally for I and you might be surprised on the price.
With that said, get the 991!
With that said, get the 991!
The dealer would have identified the sale prospects to OP in both cars (as a good salesmen does) and is in a no lose situation either way. However, if the dealer can find a pink one to remove that high cost runout off their hands they'd be sacrificing the bigger earn on the 991 and with a huge sigh of relief. Recovering 96 large would be an infinitely better proposition than moving any 991....no question. After all, the new cars will fall off the floor. Supply is always a problem for the first 12 months until all the immediate must have buyers are resolved so if you can shift old cars on the back of impatience in between time it can make for good/safe business.
#71
It sounds 20K too heavy imo. Forgetting about what it may be worth today (assumed market price), as nice as it is the car is going to take a very big beating at one point not too far down the track because essentially it's just an upsec'd 997s which is secondary in performance to a 991, along with ageing. If the fire is burning in your pocket a good used TT at same or less dollars is a much safer bet imo. It has the wide body, the turbo cred and most options that car has anyway and will hold its desirability longer. The dealer is relying purely on the novelty factor of that particular car along with delivery times of the new 991 to recover their outlay therefore hope someone impatient will come in and shift the liability for them.
#72
I think your about 5k away from a decent price on the GTS. If you can get it down go for it, if not go lease another 997 for two years and come back to the 991.
The bugs will be worked out and you will have more info from people who have long time use of the car.
There is no rush to move into the 991. Why pay a premium. Also, in Philly should you also consider a C4S?
The bugs will be worked out and you will have more info from people who have long time use of the car.
There is no rush to move into the 991. Why pay a premium. Also, in Philly should you also consider a C4S?
#73
I think your about 5k away from a decent price on the GTS. If you can get it down go for it, if not go lease another 997 for two years and come back to the 991.
The bugs will be worked out and you will have more info from people who have long time use of the car.
There is no rush to move into the 991. Why pay a premium. Also, in Philly should you also consider a C4S?
The bugs will be worked out and you will have more info from people who have long time use of the car.
There is no rush to move into the 991. Why pay a premium. Also, in Philly should you also consider a C4S?
#74
When evaluating price you should also look in to what options you get standard on the GTS vs what you would have to pay for them on the 991. PSE comes to mind, it is standard on the GTS.
#75