http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/supercar...34_driven.html

Any one ordering a base still has time to reconsider.

 

No plan to change mine....

 

The Evo group test this month placed the 991s 3rd after the R8 and GT-R. If I was canceling my base order as a result of Evo, I sure wouldn't be getting a 991s instead. Will you be trading your 991s in?

 

I don't think he particularly loved S over base, he was expecting to get amazed by Turbo, GT3, RS...

I think, to him, base & S are the same basic models. Let me know if I understood wrong.

 

Nor I. It seems he was not a fan of PDKs. I'm glad I ordered mine manual. Much of his comments, re: the steering, chassis feel are also applicable to the S car.

 

Chris Harris had a positive review of the 991s. Surely the 3.4 had something to do with this underwhelming review. Let's face it, when ordering a sports car, ponies are everything, and everything else is nothing. If one is in to everything else, then there are many better and cheaper vehicle options available. If I had any less hp I would certainly not be content. In fact I still have an appetite for more ponies and when I trade it in, it will be for a turbo or some other vehicle with 500+ ponies.
The base 991 just does not make sense financially, making it a 3.4 is the first step towards eliminating it down the road along with the MT. They are deliberately tapering both off.

 

I would disagree... in fact, the base car makes the most financial sense. Consider the guy who paid $150k for a new turbo that is worth $100k in 3yrs. A 50k hit. I paid $76k for my brand new 2009 base 911 in 11/2008 and just sold it for $65k nearly 3 1/2 years later for a loss of 11k. A lightly optioned base car will depreciate less than any alternative in the line up which is one of the reasons I buy them.

I would also disagree that "ponies are everything". A Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby or whatever they call it may have 500 bhp but is it a more rewarding drive than any 997/991 base/S or GT3 all of which have significantly less hp? I think not. A 1973 2.7 Carrera RS had what? something like 235hp? yet it is widely regarded as one of the best 911's of all time.

 

wait, you got your 911 at invoice?

 

The problem is that most who order a base fail to keep it lightly optioned. If they did so, I could see where they are coming from. Instead they put on silly stuff instead of using that money towards S.

When I say ponies are everything, I don't mean regardless of brand. CTS-V has a lot of hp, but I wouldn't recommend it over porsche, or corvette over porsche. I mean once you get to a refined brand you are far better of getting the higher hp when ordering a performance car. When you factor in the standard options on the S (which are all good ones), the extra hp is a bargain.

 

Frankly, who cares what EVO says. If you like it, buy it.

 

76k was with 5% discount. MSRP was like 82k or something like that. I just got power seats, ipod and XM radio... other than that it was bare bones. My 991 MSRP will be $89k and my price is about $86k... a bargain compared to the $120k+ S models people are ponying up for.

 

Your way off here.

I think you need to watch the review again. He comments were in general about the 991 and not specific to the base car.

What bothered him about the 991 is the same with both the base and S models.

 

Ponies are everything only when porsche drivers are taking about base vs S.

With any other brand they don't matter.

 

My current plan:

911 Carrera $82,100

Premium Package Plus P39 $4,650
Carrara White B4 $0
Black leather interior AZ $3,690
Electric sunroof 651 $1,490
Electric folding exterior mirrors 748 $320
ParkAssist (front and rear) 636 $990
Deletion of Model Designation 498 $0

Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250 $4,080
19-inch Carrera wheel 411 $0
Steering wheel heating 345 $270
Power Sport Seats (14-way) P06 $0
Destination Charge:
Destination Charge: $950

Total Price* $98,540

I need to add 4wd, so it will be slightly over $100k. Mine will have all the features that will make me comfortable... There is no way I would add $14k more for essentially the same car or pay the similar price for a strip S.

(Note: deletion of model designation )

 

I can understand base orders like tromero and cayenne956 where the savings are 15K at least. But many other base orders you see out there are well optioned. But having gotten a standard blk interior and not missing out on much, I would still go for "S" b4 full leather. Just look at US dealer inventories flooded with 991S models with standard interiors.

I agree with buckwheat that comments on the surface addressed the 991 in general, but the fact that he was sitting in a base model no doubt colored his view point. But hp is an issue in all brands as they all offer lower and higher hp options, and the higher ones are just better.