The new 991 C4S!!
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11-10-2012, 01:01 AM
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Oh man I can't believe I missed that!!!
Thanks for posting it up!
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Then she also says this...
"The active four-wheel drive system is as advanced as you’d expect. Essentially an updated version of the system fitted to the 997 911 Turbo, it’s able to divert up to 100 per cent of the power to either axle in just 100 milliseconds to maximise traction."
OK that's just crazy talk... the C4S has NEVER and will NEVER be able to put a 100% of it's traction to the front wheels!
That would make it the first front wheel drive Porsche in history!
It goes up to 40% in the front only when needed, that's it.
Any other time it sits at 5%, although on the 991 they where suppose to have made that even less and designed the whole system to feel more rear biased than the previous generations.
Not just that but it went from a viscous coupling to a very advanced geared coupling awd system, totally new to the 911.
She does contradict the 100% to the front later in the article but all and all she makes it sound about as exciting as a pick-up truck
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I drove the R8 and while powerful it's no where near as "nimble" or "edgy" as the 997 C4S.
Hope she's full of it and just doesn't know how to put her foot down whilst using the shifter paddles in sport+... otherwise "little Psycho" is going to have a freak out right in the middle of the dealership!
Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts....
Thanks for posting it up!
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Then she also says this...
"The active four-wheel drive system is as advanced as you’d expect. Essentially an updated version of the system fitted to the 997 911 Turbo, it’s able to divert up to 100 per cent of the power to either axle in just 100 milliseconds to maximise traction."
OK that's just crazy talk... the C4S has NEVER and will NEVER be able to put a 100% of it's traction to the front wheels!
That would make it the first front wheel drive Porsche in history!
It goes up to 40% in the front only when needed, that's it.
Any other time it sits at 5%, although on the 991 they where suppose to have made that even less and designed the whole system to feel more rear biased than the previous generations.
Not just that but it went from a viscous coupling to a very advanced geared coupling awd system, totally new to the 911.
She does contradict the 100% to the front later in the article but all and all she makes it sound about as exciting as a pick-up truck
.I drove the R8 and while powerful it's no where near as "nimble" or "edgy" as the 997 C4S.
Hope she's full of it and just doesn't know how to put her foot down whilst using the shifter paddles in sport+... otherwise "little Psycho" is going to have a freak out right in the middle of the dealership!
Think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts, think happy thoughts....
Last edited by Fester; 11-10-2012 at 04:38 PM.
#362
11-11-2012, 07:51 AM
I've been thinking about changing mine to...
Re; reviews... yeah it does seem that way.
That said I still don't like the way this review was done.
Here's one which states the same thing but in a VERY different manner (like someone who understands the Porsche press release text means in the real world as apposed to on paper...
Perhaps the biggest compliment we can pay the all-wheel-drive 911 is that for 99% of the time, it feels just like its rear-wheel drive cousin. The Porsche Traction Management (PTM) has been carried over from the previous generation 997, with minor tweaks made to improve efficiency and economy.
In most circumstances, the power is directed to the rear wheels. But when the system detects that more grip is required, power is redirected to the front axle to keep things in line. The system reacts within 100 milliseconds, with an indicator on the dashboard showing where the power is directed at any given time.
Purists will be delighted to learn that it's still possible to induce some oversteer, but for everyday driving appeal, the PTM system is near faultless. It's quite easy to see why the all-wheel-drive 911 is such a popular choice.
But I've got to be honest... I'm having a hard time seeing how you can go from 100% in back and 0% in front to 45- 55 without getting some really "funky" handling characteristics...
I'm going to keep an open mind though because I'm figuring the C4S is in good hands (and journo's have not mentioned funky handling
).Oh I almost forgot this!!!
Last edited by Psycho Sid; 11-11-2012 at 09:02 AM.
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11-11-2012, 12:04 PM
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I've been thinking about changing mine to...
Oh I almost forgot this!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtK0K...layer_embedded
I've been thinking about changing mine to...
Oh I almost forgot this!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtK0K...layer_embedded
... This guys is really driving it hard, the way it needs to be driven, with those gurgles and pops of PSE....
love it!Thanks for comments on the avatar... I figured I could borrow this until I replace with mine!
#364
11-12-2012, 11:49 AM
I'm not sure if you guys have seen this yet, but I was on the Porsche USA website and found a link to the updated sales brochure with all of the C4 info and the new options:
LINK TO BROCHURE DOWNLOAD
It looks like it is a European brochure, but it has some good info. For example:
"The luggage compartment volume in the 911 models is 135 litres – 125 litres on the 911 Carrera all-wheel-drive models."
That's less than an 8% difference. I was concerned that it would be worse.
LINK TO BROCHURE DOWNLOAD
It looks like it is a European brochure, but it has some good info. For example:
"The luggage compartment volume in the 911 models is 135 litres – 125 litres on the 911 Carrera all-wheel-drive models."
That's less than an 8% difference. I was concerned that it would be worse.
#365
11-12-2012, 12:10 PM
Why could you not just de-activate the butterfly valves with a simple zip tie to "always open" like the VW R32 guys do or BMW 335 guys do?
#366
11-12-2012, 12:19 PM
You should be able to pull the vacuum hose from the valve and it should fail open. I would plug the line and cap the connections on the valves.
I wonder what it would do to the sound... I agree that the stock exhaust (even with PSE) is still a little too nice.
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11-12-2012, 10:33 PM
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Rep Power: 150 I'm not sure if you guys have seen this yet, but I was on the Porsche USA website and found a link to the updated sales brochure with all of the C4 info and the new options:
LINK TO BROCHURE DOWNLOAD
It looks like it is a European brochure, but it has some good info. For example:
"The luggage compartment volume in the 911 models is 135 litres – 125 litres on the 911 Carrera all-wheel-drive models."
That's less than an 8% difference. I was concerned that it would be worse.
LINK TO BROCHURE DOWNLOAD
It looks like it is a European brochure, but it has some good info. For example:
"The luggage compartment volume in the 911 models is 135 litres – 125 litres on the 911 Carrera all-wheel-drive models."
That's less than an 8% difference. I was concerned that it would be worse.
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11-13-2012, 11:23 AM
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some new images of the C4S
here is the links for some more pics http://indafoto.hu/marco16/image/17272039-5592b1e1/user and http://www.autogespot.co.uk/porsche-...012/11/11#img6
im getting the jitters about my order in platinum silver ! .. cos the tail-lights looks spectacular on white
here is the links for some more pics http://indafoto.hu/marco16/image/17272039-5592b1e1/user and http://www.autogespot.co.uk/porsche-...012/11/11#img6
im getting the jitters about my order in platinum silver ! .. cos the tail-lights looks spectacular on white
Last edited by saint.666; 11-13-2012 at 11:39 AM.
#375
11-13-2012, 01:13 PM
You know that you cannot just post a couple of pictures and drop the fact you test drove it. Please expand with how the feel was compared to the 991 C2. But congrats on being one of the first few to test drive.