991 10 day test on Pistonheads
#3
05-09-2012, 05:37 AM
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I am not sure what you are missing. (BTW Are you representing people other than yourself with the 'we' comment? I didn't know you spoke for others.)
#4
05-09-2012, 06:08 AM
Good discussion there at PH. Echoes much of what we've discussed in 6speed, and my own view of the 991 is a blend of what was said at PH.
IMO, the bottom line is that the 997 is a better choice for people who want to hang on to more of the feel of the older 911s, and the 991 is a better choice for people who would rather give up a good bit of that feel in order to get greater and more accessible performance. Both are great cars, but genuinely different, so it's important for people to take the time to know themselves and the cars, and then pick the one they like better.
IMO, the bottom line is that the 997 is a better choice for people who want to hang on to more of the feel of the older 911s, and the 991 is a better choice for people who would rather give up a good bit of that feel in order to get greater and more accessible performance. Both are great cars, but genuinely different, so it's important for people to take the time to know themselves and the cars, and then pick the one they like better.
#5
05-09-2012, 06:10 AM
Agreed. Reading the posts of some of the "experts" who felt obliged to chime in was a little tiresome, but the OP was definitely worth following.
#6
05-09-2012, 06:19 AM
Good discussion there at PH. Echoes much of what we've discussed in 6speed, and my own view of the 991 is a blend of what was said at PH.
IMO, the bottom line is that the 997 is a better choice for people who want to hang on to more of the feel of the older 911s, and the 991 is a better choice for people who would rather give up a good bit of that feel in order to get greater and more accessible performance. Both are great cars, but genuinely different, so it's important for people to take the time to know themselves and the cars, and then pick the one they like better.
IMO, the bottom line is that the 997 is a better choice for people who want to hang on to more of the feel of the older 911s, and the 991 is a better choice for people who would rather give up a good bit of that feel in order to get greater and more accessible performance. Both are great cars, but genuinely different, so it's important for people to take the time to know themselves and the cars, and then pick the one they like better.
It doesn't offer anything difference.
#7
05-09-2012, 06:25 AM
What's the point? It is a well written account by a part time journalist of his 10 day interaction with the 991. It seems a fitting link in the 991 forum.
I am not sure what you are missing. (BTW Are you representing people other than yourself with the 'we' comment? I didn't know you spoke for others.)
I am not sure what you are missing. (BTW Are you representing people other than yourself with the 'we' comment? I didn't know you spoke for others.)
But is 11 pages long and all I asked was what the point of pointing out the thread .
does it contain anything that has not been discussed here?
I can read reviews from people here that have had the car for months.
OK..he's a journalist...where's the article and why is it in a forum section.
And i understand your comment on the "we". I made a mistake. I have seen enough of your posts on RL to understand where you come from.
I will edit it.
Actually I just reread my post...by we I was referring to the forum as a whole...Are we missing some discussion piece that is brought up in that thread.
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#8
05-09-2012, 06:39 AM
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But is 11 pages long and all I asked was what the point of pointing out the thread .
does it contain anything that has not been discussed here?
I can read reviews from people here that have had the car for months.
OK..he's a journalist...where's the article and why is it in a forum section.
And i understand your comment on the "we". I made a mistake. I have seen enough of your posts on RL to understand where you come from.
I will edit it.
Actually I just reread my post...by we I was referring to the forum as a whole...Are we missing some discussion piece that is brought up in that thread.
But is 11 pages long and all I asked was what the point of pointing out the thread .
does it contain anything that has not been discussed here?
I can read reviews from people here that have had the car for months.
OK..he's a journalist...where's the article and why is it in a forum section.
And i understand your comment on the "we". I made a mistake. I have seen enough of your posts on RL to understand where you come from.
I will edit it.
Actually I just reread my post...by we I was referring to the forum as a whole...Are we missing some discussion piece that is brought up in that thread.
When you posted that you were only the one who claimed to be missing something, that's why I don't understand why you said we.
#9
05-09-2012, 06:54 AM
I would say the PH discussion is similar, but I still found it worth reading. Since I'm still exploring the idea of getting a 991, I'd rather read more of this stuff than less.
#11
05-09-2012, 07:51 AM
It may be a matter of gradually letting go of how the 991 is not like the older 911s (ie, expectations), and learning to embrace what the car offers instead. It's a new and different car - "not your father's (911)".
#12
05-09-2012, 08:01 AM
It is another insight into the 991 and one I found interesting coming from where he did. My main take away from it is that it may take some time to appreciate the 991. In any case, I am sorry you don't find it worth reading, but it seems some others do.
When you posted that you were only the one who claimed to be missing something, that's why I don't understand why you said we.
When you posted that you were only the one who claimed to be missing something, that's why I don't understand why you said we.
the point about it growing on people over time is a very valid one.
And should not be understated...thanks for posting it
#13
05-09-2012, 08:43 AM
"We'll change the car to appeal a new democraphic, and to move forward with new features/regulation requirements. Those who are new will like it, those who are existing will come around to it, because there is no better alternative, they will embrace it (eventually), and it will be successful.
(I draw a similar comparison to the 993 -> 996 route)
#14
05-09-2012, 09:17 AM
I hate that this is true. It's as if car companies count on this.
"We'll change the car to appeal a new democraphic, and to move forward with new features/regulation requirements. Those who are new will like it, those who are existing will come around to it, because there is no better alternative, they will embrace it (eventually), and it will be successful.
(I draw a similar comparison to the 993 -> 996 route)
"We'll change the car to appeal a new democraphic, and to move forward with new features/regulation requirements. Those who are new will like it, those who are existing will come around to it, because there is no better alternative, they will embrace it (eventually), and it will be successful.
(I draw a similar comparison to the 993 -> 996 route)
The solution for people who prefer an older generation (which isn't unreasonable) is to get one, and fortunately a good number are available, though I fear that I may really want a 993 or 997 GT3 and be unable to find one meeting my requirements at a price I can accept. The 1980s 911s I drove were also really cool, but they lacked power, and the more powerful versions are much harder to find (and more expensive).
#15
05-09-2012, 10:15 AM
It's not so bad, though, if the new car is improved in some real and important ways, which the 991 is. As was the 996.
The solution for people who prefer an older generation (which isn't unreasonable) is to get one, and fortunately a good number are available, though I fear that I may really want a 993 or 997 GT3 and be unable to find one meeting my requirements at a price I can accept. The 1980s 911s I drove were also really cool, but they lacked power, and the more powerful versions are much harder to find (and more expensive).
The solution for people who prefer an older generation (which isn't unreasonable) is to get one, and fortunately a good number are available, though I fear that I may really want a 993 or 997 GT3 and be unable to find one meeting my requirements at a price I can accept. The 1980s 911s I drove were also really cool, but they lacked power, and the more powerful versions are much harder to find (and more expensive).