Any data showing it DOESN'T reduce lap times? Honestly I'd like to read the study. If simply due to steering response I'd guarantee it enhances.

Anyway I'm all about the GT3 as well. We'll use that as our commonality ...

 

I don't think they've got their data WRONG, as much as they selectively chose the RIGHT information to support their interests...

(classic statistics, right? )

I mean, I could say the 911 GT2 was independently tested by the same group and it ran a 7:46, and I'd be right also. Pointing out that a C2S is faster.

 

I haven't seen data either way, and would love to see it. I doubt Porsche will do such a test, so someone else will need to. I don't doubt that it reduces lap time, but based on the physics I'm anticipating that the reduction will be small. I'll have something to ponder if I turn out to be wrong.

Out of curiosity, why go to a GT3 if you're only tracking a couple times a year? Your current 991 is plenty capable on the track, will be more comfortable on the road, and has all the options you want. I'm looking at the GT3 as primarily a track car, usable as a DD also since my commute is short.

 

Heck I don't tap into 50% of what the 991 can do. I buy cars because I like them, they are cool, I'm affluent, and wastefully frivolous to a fault.

Matter of fact if I bought a 991 GT3 I'd load it up with PTV, PDCC, PDK and every other option and I'd probably never track it.

That's how I roll.

 

Don't forget to add c0cky to the list too!

 

I won't tell you how to spend your money, but when you declare that you don't buy cars for their intended use (eg, the more comfy S suits your use better), I hope you realize that it's harder for people to take your opinions seriously.

 

Source: http://blog.autoinjected.com/2012/02...only/#comments

Porsche: Next-Gen 911 GT3 Could Be PDK-Only…?
I’ve just read an article originating from Insideline that tells of the threat (yes, it’s ridiculous enough news to warrant it as such) according to Porsche 911 project chief, August Achleitner, that the next-gen Porsche 911 GT3 – remember now, the hardcore purists choice of 911 - could very well come with a PDK-only transmission…

According to Achleitner, both manual and PDK transmissions are being ‘evaluated’ for consideration in the next GT3 (and here’s where I roll my eyes) but apparently only one transmission will be chosen in the end for the hardcore GT3 and he reckons the boring-as-mud, poseur PDK will get the nod. Achleitner continues to blither on with false numbers and ridiculous statements, one of which being that ‘only’ 30% of 911 sales are manual stick-shift so therefore PDK is a no-brainer… huh..? That’s just poor business sense if you ask me.


The new 991-gen 911 - oh, how I squint further at thee...
The embarrassment continues when Achleitner says “When we launched the 911 Turbo S, we did not offer a manual, but we have not had a single complaint”. Sure you didn’t Achleitner… But then again, of course he’d say that as Porsche charges (and makes) a load of extra cash on each 911 that is ordered with the PDK. By that token then, I’d think I’d be safe in reminding Porsche that 100% of previous-gen 997 GT3 sales were manual transmission…? Despite what Porsche may think, not every 911 owner spends their time bragging about 0-60 times and impressing their friends with launch-control.

Seeing as how the next-gen GT2 and GT3 will also be fitted with the new (and highly-controversial) electromechanical power steering set-up that has already come under heavy criticism for its lack of ‘feel’ and reportedly synthetic feedback qualities, it seems an unnecessarily brash move against Porsche driving-purists (and proper drivers, in general) to come out swinging with this silly threat of ‘you can have this, or nothing at all’ type of statement.


Could there not be anything more 'wrong' in the sportscar realm than a Porsche 911 without a manual option...?
I call BS on the whole story – this is just Porsche, once again, ruffling-up the feathers of the automotive world and heaving mass attention in their direction for the sake of headlines and discussion…. Does Porsche really, I mean really, think that GT3 buyers will be happy as lambs with electromechanical power steering and PDK-only…? C’mon…

Porsche has been developing (and offering) a new 7-speed manual transmission for the new 991-based 911 already so I don’t exactly buy into Achleitner’s claims that this ‘populist’ PDK-only option/threat has any weight behind it at all.


The GT3 RS 4.0 - the last proper 911 aimed at driving purists/enthusiasts...?
And my friends actually wonder why the new plethora of sportscars continue to fail in exciting me anymore… So thank you, to all the flappy-paddle posers… you have now successfully contributed to the ruination of, what used to be, one of the greatest driver’s cars ever.

 

^ Somebody's pissed!

 

 

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I try to be charitable too. And c0cky while I do it.

 

Good, maybe you'll no longer see a point in arguing with me.

 

The irony is delicious.

 

Especially when you read his posts worshipping everything McLaren touches. Did he not get the memo they don't offer a MT?

Reads like just another bitter spec sheet expert with no seat time basis for his crusade against any amount of change.

 

Re the new steering, I actually think it belongs more in a GT3 than a Carrera.

Off the track, I'd rather feel more of the road nuances, weightier steering, etc. and in return give up some unused performance.

On the track, I can tell you from experience that the new steering is noticeably better. No more fighting the wheel under extended hard cornering. By the time I traded in my 997, the wheel was pretty far of center from a couple track days at Lightning where the long and fast sweepers take muscle to hold the line -- the wheel won that bout over the alignment. In the 991 it's easier to hold the line through a turn and adjust if needed.