Rattles and Squeaks Getting me Down
#16
my cab S has 3500 miles now and is a smooth quiet delight. still have trouble believing a cab is this quiet.
Sorry to hear about a few of you putting up with rattles in such an expensive car.
I can feel your pain, though, because my $150+ K R8 rattles and squeaks like CRAZY, to the point that it is just sitting there in the garage...while I drive the 991. Every day.
Sorry to hear about a few of you putting up with rattles in such an expensive car.
I can feel your pain, though, because my $150+ K R8 rattles and squeaks like CRAZY, to the point that it is just sitting there in the garage...while I drive the 991. Every day.
#17
Apart from about a half dozen campaigns with running changes to fix a variety of early production stuff, the only issue I had with my Jan 2012 production car was a minor rattle in the drivers side door card. The dealer took it off as advised that there was defective part and replaced it with one sent from the factory- no debate- just did it.
#18
Having removed pretty much every panel and crawled behind the dash to chase the annoying noises I SHOULD complain. I don't.
I sort of understand where this is comming from and why. Sure, nobody wants this on an expensive car - but this is a little different.
Weight. That is the culprit - or rather lack thereof. Virtually every rattle I fixed has its origin in very lightweight materials and assembly - the later is mostly to blame. Perhaps a little too lightweight. Too much clipping, too few screws. Surfaces rubbing against each other as they are not locked solidly together. Little loose bits of metal assembly that can simply be tacked into place with a dab of lithium grease - but aren't.
Lots of plastic behind the leather. It all moves and rubs as the very stiff chassis still flexes a little bit - just enough to annoy.
Yes, I think a few things could be assembled a bit better - a thin strip of felt here and there, a tighter clamp here and there, dab of grease, some electrical tape in strategic locations and things start to look up.
But somehow I'm happy. I understand the need to save weight. At least it kept me occupied for a few days and as a result I learned a bit on how things fit together. It's not a bad design. It just needs that extra 1% effort during assembly.
I sort of understand where this is comming from and why. Sure, nobody wants this on an expensive car - but this is a little different.
Weight. That is the culprit - or rather lack thereof. Virtually every rattle I fixed has its origin in very lightweight materials and assembly - the later is mostly to blame. Perhaps a little too lightweight. Too much clipping, too few screws. Surfaces rubbing against each other as they are not locked solidly together. Little loose bits of metal assembly that can simply be tacked into place with a dab of lithium grease - but aren't.
Lots of plastic behind the leather. It all moves and rubs as the very stiff chassis still flexes a little bit - just enough to annoy.
Yes, I think a few things could be assembled a bit better - a thin strip of felt here and there, a tighter clamp here and there, dab of grease, some electrical tape in strategic locations and things start to look up.
But somehow I'm happy. I understand the need to save weight. At least it kept me occupied for a few days and as a result I learned a bit on how things fit together. It's not a bad design. It just needs that extra 1% effort during assembly.
Do you happen to have pictures of where you discovered rattles? That could be helpful.
#19
I did have to phone them on occasion and once had to go to the workshop so they could show me how to undo things.
It's fairly easy once you know what to look for - usually a clip or screw hidden by a small, easily removable panel or part. Those plastic inserts on the door panel for example - you can remove them easily with a flat wide plastic spatula (look in your wife's cooking utensils for some useful items) - never use metal objects to remove these parts as you can easily cause marks on them.
As general rule, anything that looks removable is removable and if it is - it will come off fairly easily.
If you can't figure something out - ask your Porsche tech. In my case they have been very willing to help with advise.
My dash had a very bad rubbing noise but it was easy to fix. One good push forward at the drivers side airvent resulted in an audible "click" and noise gone. One of the latches that holds the dash was not inserted all the way during manufacture and it just needed a good push.
Some minor rubbing noises remain - but these are all related to leather rubbing against leather as far as I can make out. They are only noticeable on fairly bad roads (I have the SPASM) when the chassis flexes a bit. There are several areas where leather touches leather so this is unavoidable.
Rattles where identified and fixed in seat mechanism, seat belt reels (rear), dash and doors.
The door panels are very light weight which does not help if you have the normal sound system which allows too much base on the speakers so the whole thing vibrates. The normal sound system does not have the sub woofer so they can't cut out the base from these speakers which would help a lot. Even just a piece of paper (like a gas purchase receipt) in the side holder against the speaker makes a bad noise so I don't keep anything in there.
The doors need three screws (behind panels) removed and the whole thing just lifts out. Some self-adhesive felt strips around the panel perimeter before re-assembly fixes any rubbing noises. Inspect the door latch mechanism and window mechanism while you are at it. Take the back end of a large screw driver and tap around the mechanics and listen for noises of any metal "tinkling" sounds. When you locate something, add a dab of lithium grease to the offending part or joint. This also works well on other mechanical rattles.
#22
I know in the grand scheme of things, interior rattles and squeaks are a pretty minor annoyance, but the number of rattles and squeaks that have developed in my car is pretty disturbing. I have had it in twice to fix the driver's side door and b-pillars, which worked for a couple of weeks, but now all three rattles are back to some degree.
The passenger side is now also rattling in the same way as the driver's door. I now also have a clicking or rattle sound from somewhere inside of the dash and the c-pillars, or somewhere towards the back on both sides of the car, are also rattling or squeaking. This is all in 65 degree weather.
My dealer tries to make it right, but I know it would be asking a lot to bring it in for them to fix all of these. While these issues are minor I know, they do detract from the driving enjoyment of the car and at this point, I would be willing to pay someone to go in and add some felt or whatever they use.
Does anyone have any ideas? Perhaps an auto sound person who is already familiar with removing interior panels, etc?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
The passenger side is now also rattling in the same way as the driver's door. I now also have a clicking or rattle sound from somewhere inside of the dash and the c-pillars, or somewhere towards the back on both sides of the car, are also rattling or squeaking. This is all in 65 degree weather.
My dealer tries to make it right, but I know it would be asking a lot to bring it in for them to fix all of these. While these issues are minor I know, they do detract from the driving enjoyment of the car and at this point, I would be willing to pay someone to go in and add some felt or whatever they use.
Does anyone have any ideas? Perhaps an auto sound person who is already familiar with removing interior panels, etc?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
I found here online that some people like to take their car interiors apart and install various items. I've used those photos and instructions to figure out the source of a few of the rattles. For example, my C-pillar issues were aided by the gentleman, who decided to remove some of the insulation to get a louder exhaust sound in the interior.
To establish some ethos, I'm not a fix it man, but if you need something broken or destroyed, I'm your boy. I'm really good at it!
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Grist for the mill; hope this helps. If not, try Talisker Scotch.
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#27
Sorry, I've spent a considerable amount of time in Ferraris and that has not been my experience. The 308 I drove was a rattle trap as was the 348 targa, but all models after that were pretty tight. I understand that firm suspensions can produce noise in all the wrong places, but anytime you have plastic touching plastic, metal touching metal, you will have squeaks and rattles. As others have pointed out there are remedies and these should be undertaken by the factory.
#28
Sure. None of my previous Porsches had rattles. Most of the 991s have no rattles. Not sure i understand your point sir.
My point is that sometimes rattles do happen regardless of the brand of sports car and the rattles can be fixed. My point was not an indictment of a brand. It's going to be okay.
My point is that sometimes rattles do happen regardless of the brand of sports car and the rattles can be fixed. My point was not an indictment of a brand. It's going to be okay.
#30
Very interesting. I am a lurker here. I have a 2009 C2S pdk coupe with 42K miles that I love--and that is built like a tank and is still rattle-free. I have been debating for 6 months now on whether to trade it in for a 991 C2S cab. Certainly a thread like this one gives me pause, although I assume the longer I wait the better these things will be addressed.