Road and Track "apologizes to the world" over PDK
#46
05-01-2013, 08:20 AM
That is ludicrous. For what we pay for these damn things, buyers should get whatever they want. The frunk should come packed with waygu beef and johnny walker on delivery.
woohoo!
#48
05-01-2013, 09:43 AM
I am amazed at the number of posters that seem to feel threatened because an auto magazine offered an opinion which differs from their own. Just because a magazine offered their opinion does not mean there is a sinister conspiracy to debunk PDK cars or Porsche in general. I feel these guys, who drive cars and write about them for a living, were just offering their honest opinion. It is an opinion I share and one I have opined about for years, however , this is the first time I have seen it in print. They are not attempting to make everyone who bought a PDK feel like they made a mistake. They are simply lamenting the fact that they ENJOY driving a manual better in the GT3.
#49
05-01-2013, 10:17 AM
The mechanism of how a gear is changed should not matter, whether it is moving a stick or flicking a paddle. The gear change is still made by the driver. If the only fun a driver has is moving a stick around, I'd suggest there is a lot lost during the drive.[/QUOTE]
I, and I am sure the vast majority of 991 owners, do not drive the car on a track 99% of the time. I happen to live and drive the car around other cars, people, and traffic police. As I am not driving the car at high speed most of the time, shifing the MT is something that makes the drive more enjoyable. It is nothing like "flicking" a paddle.
I am glad that many of you seem to like the PDK. I do not. It really doesn't matter how fast the car shifts with PDK. My 3 year old Mazda probably shifts faster than I shift the 991.
I guess I am conflicted as to how I would feel if Porsche stops making the MT. I wouldn't own another new Porsche but at least my current one would have more value.
I, and I am sure the vast majority of 991 owners, do not drive the car on a track 99% of the time. I happen to live and drive the car around other cars, people, and traffic police. As I am not driving the car at high speed most of the time, shifing the MT is something that makes the drive more enjoyable. It is nothing like "flicking" a paddle.
I am glad that many of you seem to like the PDK. I do not. It really doesn't matter how fast the car shifts with PDK. My 3 year old Mazda probably shifts faster than I shift the 991.
I guess I am conflicted as to how I would feel if Porsche stops making the MT. I wouldn't own another new Porsche but at least my current one would have more value.
#50
05-01-2013, 10:36 AM
I am amazed at the number of posters that seem to feel threatened because an auto magazine offered an opinion which differs from their own. Just because a magazine offered their opinion does not mean there is a sinister conspiracy to debunk PDK cars or Porsche in general. I feel these guys, who drive cars and write about them for a living, were just offering their honest opinion. It is an opinion I share and one I have opined about for years, however , this is the first time I have seen it in print. They are not attempting to make everyone who bought a PDK feel like they made a mistake. They are simply lamenting the fact that they ENJOY driving a manual better in the GT3.
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#51
05-01-2013, 11:07 AM
Okay so what I said was just short of hyperbole. But comparing pdk to the transmission in an 86 skylark? That is ludicrous.
For what we pay for these damn things, buyers should get whatever they want. The frunk should come packed with waygu beef and johnny walker on delivery.
That is ludicrous. For what we pay for these damn things, buyers should get whatever they want. The frunk should come packed with waygu beef and johnny walker on delivery.
But more importantly - can you imagine the option price of getting that loaded frunk? If marketed correctly, it could be the X52 kit - it moves the weight balance closer to 50/50. Say $8500?
#54
05-01-2013, 01:29 PM
Having grappled with this issue for a long time, I've decided the solution for me is to have two cars.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
#55
05-01-2013, 01:47 PM
Having grappled with this issue for a long time, I've decided the solution for me is to have two cars.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
+1 My other car is an MGB.... with OD on 3 and 4, so I suppose it's a
6 speed.
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#56
05-01-2013, 02:10 PM
Having grappled with this issue for a long time, I've decided the solution for me is to have two cars.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
For me, driving comes down to 3 categories: Track, suburban and highway (GT cruising), and spirited street driving (ideally spirited and with lots of twisties). I think my PDK 991S excels at the first two categories for all the reasons it is lacking in the third category -- namely the PDK, electric steering, and PDCC. I'd never give up those technologies though when driving the car near its limit (i.e. at the track).
On spirited street drives though, the car only feels alive enough to me at hooligan speeds. So I'm in the market for an air-cooled, ideally SWB, to scratch that itch. I don't know of a car that excels at all three categories so this is the best I've come up with.
i had air cooled Porsches for 40 years. You are right about them being huge fun- there is nothing else like them. They are geared for high RPM in the first three gears and with the right muffler, sublime. The thing about spirited street or country road driving is that it is most fun when you don't have so much power that sneezing is flat out unsafe and so much weight that the "snap" is missing. But early cars, particularly if without AC, are not much fun after a few hours on the highway and are no fun at all in traffic.
#57
05-01-2013, 03:46 PM
Been double declutching and heel toeing for 20 years. Testdrove pdk 991. Ordered pdk 991. Less involving? Really? Frees up time for even better breaking, better car positioning, better managing car balance. Plenty involving to me.
#58
05-01-2013, 10:14 PM
Had a PDK 09 C4S cab for a year. Since then, I have bought 5 911's---- all manuals. I got a 458 but only because there was no choice. Great car, but MT would have been more fun.
If Porsche stops making MT cars, I can always buy some new American muscle. The new Viper and Stingray looks pretty nice.
If Porsche stops making MT cars, I can always buy some new American muscle. The new Viper and Stingray looks pretty nice.
#60
05-02-2013, 07:27 AM
Had a PDK 09 C4S cab for a year. Since then, I have bought 5 911's---- all manuals. I got a 458 but only because there was no choice. Great car, but MT would have been more fun.
If Porsche stops making MT cars, I can always buy some new American muscle. The new Viper and Stingray looks pretty nice.
If Porsche stops making MT cars, I can always buy some new American muscle. The new Viper and Stingray looks pretty nice.
1. A lot of track use where Porsche wants to put the fastest possible foot forward
2. A lot of changes from the production transmission which would add considerable cost in putting both into production at such a low production rate (testing included).
ChuckJ