Originally Posted by tx11

If you love speed and want a sublime driving experience, get a race Porsche. Given the limited ability to drive fast on the street, the base has more than enough power to get the job done and it is functional as a daily driver. Any more is just bragging. I have friends with Ferraris that drive Suburbans to work every day. How purist is that? I have no desire to get anything more than my vert for the street however I am seriously looking at a 991 GT3 Cup Car for junior and I to do some racing in.

Originally Posted by Suzy991

There are some things you ALL are missing here!

Base carrera is a perfect car, but it is NOT the same as an S.... Base car has a 3.4 boxer while the S has a 3.8 boxer. Both engines have a different character. IMO the base Carrera with it's lower powerd 3.4 engine is the most purest 911 at this moment. When the 911 was introduced back in 1963 it was also "underpowered" compared to other sportscars, but made up by the great chassis, allthough the engine was in the wrong place.
The 3.4 boxer, you have to keep high in revs to get the most out of it and when driving it hard, it feels great. The S has some more torque and is an easier engine for lets call it "GT cruisin". With the S you can do both. With the base it can be done both, but it feels underpowered when driving at normal speeds, at least here in the mountains (just my opinion, and the reason I've taken the S).

The thing that the Boxster S sells more because of te red calipers is the biggest bull**** I've ever heard. If you want red calipers on the base Boxster, you can have it done for lets say $ 500?? It's not necesary to upgrade to a Boxster S, only to get red calipers. Base boxster again has a different engine 2.7 vs 3.4 in the S and has exactly the same different character as the 911. Base is the more pure car, where the S has more power and therefore is easier to drive at normal speeds. (Sounds weird, I know... But it is true, especially for less experienced drivers)

As a conclusion, I would say: Base cars are just perfect and they are a great addition to the line-up. If I lived somewhere else where there were less mountains, I definitely would have chosen the C4 instead of the C4S.

And then there is of course the marketing aspect... The base 911, boxster, cayman make it possible to get more people attracted to buy a Porsche and that is a good thing!

Suzy991

Originally Posted by LOSERKING

how about the time for the 991 C4S?

Originally Posted by Suzy991

A Prius isn't a vehicle made for inspired driving.... In fact a Prius isn't made to do anything right IMO, but that is probably because I immensely hate those vehicles. I even dream sometimes of owning an Aston Martin with rocket launchers and all the Bond-gadgets, just to shoot every Prius out of my way

Suzy991

Originally Posted by lrattner

R and T did a review of the Prius and another hybrid. The Prius came out on top but the best they could say about it was the if was "barely drivable".

Originally Posted by scatkins

lol, I often wonder what is it that brings such as strong response to the Prius... In general I tend to appreciate Toyota's as a whole and don't have a problem with Hybrids ether (other than I think they are a lousy cost/return investment and have imaginary environmental benefits)..

But something about the Prius in general that often just makes people hate them (me included) and I don't know why.. lol, maybe it is just a prejudice against the kind of people who buy them..

Originally Posted by barihunk

IMHO, it's the uppety, self-righteous people that drive (some) Prius-es that is the problem. You know, the ones that hog the left lane going below the speed limit, blocking traffic at Whole Foods, and this woman:

You got to see this, Getting yelled at for the diesel truck I drive - YouTube

Now not all Prius drivers are like this, but there are enough of them around that mistakenly think they are saving the planet by buying a Prius, that they become the stereotype.