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Old 12-15-2013 | 10:35 AM
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forged vs cast wheels

does anyone out there know if the oem 20"classic wheel is cast or forged.
i'm contemplating black matte forged wheels (maybe hre p40 series) for my agate gray c2s and i'm a newbie to aftermarket wheels. is there a huge difference between hre wheels vs any other monobloc forged wheel on the market (besides the large markup)?
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I believe all OEM wheels are cast, except the GT3 wheels.

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Originally Posted by Robsc2s
does anyone out there know if the oem 20"classic wheel is cast or forged.
i'm contemplating black matte forged wheels (maybe hre p40 series) for my agate gray c2s and i'm a newbie to aftermarket wheels. is there a huge difference between hre wheels vs any other monobloc forged wheel on the market (besides the large markup)?
thanks
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STALKER is correct, all of the OEM wheels for the 991 are cast, except for the new GT3 wheels.

Forged wheels are generally stronger and lighter than cast wheels. That being said, not all forged wheels are made the same. HRE, Forgeline, Volk and BBS are probably the best wheel brands out there. Their products are raced regularly, and you are paying for premium quality. IMHO they're worth the price. When buying forged wheels, take a look at the tonnage of the forge press they use, weight of the wheel, and the warranty offered.

I've got a set of 19" P43S for my 991 C2S, and they are fantastic.
 
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STALKER is correct, all of the OEM wheels for the 991 are cast, except for the new GT3 wheels.

Forged wheels are generally stronger and lighter than cast wheels. That being said, not all forged wheels are made the same. HRE, Forgeline, Volk and BBS are probably the best wheel brands out there. Their products are raced regularly, and you are paying for premium quality. IMHO they're worth the price. When buying forged wheels, take a look at the tonnage of the forge press they use, weight of the wheel, and the warranty offered.

I've got a set of 19" P43S for my 991 C2S, and they are fantastic.
Can the same be said for cast wheels- ie.,not all are made the same. If so, what manufacturer makes a very good cast wheel ? If what you say is correct, porsche must feel comfortable putting cast wheels on many variants of premier sports cars. If I don't track the car is there any major advantage of forged over cast wheels that justifies the price differential. The ROI seems minimal in DD setting.
As this is my first foray into porsche, are there many complaints from 911 owners in regards to the oem cast wheels?
 

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Can the same be said for cast wheels- ie.,not all are made the same. If so, what manufacturer makes a very good cast wheel ? If what you say is correct, porsche must feel comfortable putting cast wheels on many variants of premier sports cars. If I don't track the car is there any major advantage of forged over cast wheels that justifies the price differential. The ROI seems minimal in DD setting.
As this is my first foray into porsche, are there many complaints from 911 owners in regards to the oem cast wheels?
There are definitely good manufacturers of cast wheels. BBS makes several cast wheels which are Porsche OEM. Yokohama Wheels (Advan) also makes excellent wheels. HRE has a couple cast models now as well.

If you're not going to track the car, either wheel will be fine. Just watch the weight of the wheel, and make sure to get something that is TUV or JWL certified.
 
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There are definitely good manufacturers of cast wheels. BBS makes several cast wheels which are Porsche OEM. Yokohama Wheels (Advan) also makes excellent wheels. HRE has a couple cast models now as well.

If you're not going to track the car, either wheel will be fine. Just watch the weight of the wheel, and make sure to get something that is TUV or JWL certified.
What is the significance of these certifications with regard to cast wheels.
Lastly, is there one premier cast wheel manufacturer that exceeds the rest. It would seem BBS would be a go to manufacturer given porsche uses them for oem.
 
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What is the significance of these certifications with regard to cast wheels.
Lastly, is there one premier cast wheel manufacturer that exceeds the rest. It would seem BBS would be a go to manufacturer given porsche uses them for oem.
We can't speak for other wheel manufacturers, but for us, putting our FlowForm wheels through the TÜV (itself being one of the most strictest quality measures in the world), JWL and VIA processes (and passing all of these rigorous testing measurements), much like our Forged wheels, is incredibly important us (as it should be to you as well, as a consumer that's about to invest a pretty penny on changing a key component of your vehicle) and crucial for our safety and quality standards.

Simply put, these certifications provide a reassurance in the form of proof that, for example: albeit cast, the FF01 is a strong wheel - capable of withstanding a large amount of force, abuse, heat, etc., while simultaneously displaying an attractive design.

We know you sought the input of fellow members, but we hope you don't mind a brief explanation from us. If you have any questions regarding HRE wheels, please let us know.
 

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Wait the turbo and turbo s wheels are not forged? I have a hard time believing this.
 
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I believe all OEM wheels are cast, except the GT3 wheels.

I'm using my iPhone right now, but I'll post more about forging when I get to my desktop.
I am not sure about the current cars but the 997.1 Gt3 wheels were cast and the 997.1 Turbo wheels were forged .

Nonetheless I removed my OEM wheels from my 997 turbo and put a set of Hre Comp wheels and they are amazing !! I still love them and have them on the car for 6 years .
 
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Originally Posted by HRE_Wheels
We can't speak for other wheel manufacturers, but for us, putting our FlowForm wheels through the TÜV (itself being one of the most strictest quality measures in the world), JWL and VIA processes (and passing all of these rigorous testing measurements), much like our Forged wheels, is incredibly important us (as it should be to you as well, as a consumer that's about to invest a pretty penny on changing a key component of your vehicle) and crucial for our safety and quality standards.

Simply put, these certifications provide a reassurance in the form of proof that, for example: albeit cast, the FF01 is a strong wheel - capable of withstanding a large amount of force, abuse, heat, etc., while simultaneously displaying an attractive design.

We know you sought the input of fellow members, but we hope you don't mind a brief explanation from us. If you have any questions regarding HRE wheels, please let us know.
Appreciate the knowledge. As I noted, this is a new endeavor for me and maybe other members. Would you expand on the aftermarket wheel purchase- for example other posts in this forum note there is no issue moving to 305's on a c2s without changing the wheel( 20x11). Also, what about tpms, center caps, ? Offset( what does that mean?), lug nut pattern,etc.. If I'm going to drop 5-7 k on wheels, tires, etc., I would love more insight direct from the manufacturer.
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Originally Posted by Shizzle
STALKER is correct, all of the OEM wheels for the 991 are cast, except for the new GT3 wheels.

Forged wheels are generally stronger and lighter than cast wheels. That being said, not all forged wheels are made the same. HRE, Forgeline, Volk and BBS are probably the best wheel brands out there. Their products are raced regularly, and you are paying for premium quality. IMHO they're worth the price. When buying forged wheels, take a look at the tonnage of the forge press they use, weight of the wheel, and the warranty offered.

I've got a set of 19" P43S for my 991 C2S, and they are fantastic.
Volk, Neez, and BBS I think at present are the only ones that produce 8000 or higher forged ton pressed wheels. Volks are awesome wheels for the price.

I think HRE and Forgeline are either 5000 or 6000.

BBS makes a very good cast wheel as does ADVAN.
 
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Appreciate the knowledge. As I noted, this is a new endeavor for me and maybe other members. Would you expand on the aftermarket wheel purchase- for example other posts in this forum note there is no issue moving to 305's on a c2s without changing the wheel( 20x11). Also, what about tpms, center caps, ? Offset( what does that mean?), lug nut pattern,etc.. If I'm going to drop 5-7 k on wheels, tires, etc., I would love more insight direct from the manufacturer.
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TPMS and center caps all transfer over. When I got a set of p40s from HRE, I got mine from custom wheels for less from Gerry (great guy, highly recommend him) he had all of that already put in for me. Offset without getting too nitty gritty on the explanation will allow you to put wider or narrower tires depending on how much space you have to work with for the rear of your car, without the wheels bulging outside of the car.

For example if I had say a zr1 with an offset of 60 in the rear and the tire came with a 285 width. If I just grabbed a 335 without changing the wheel then it won't fit flush with the fender. But if I adjust the offset to compensate for that 335, I can have a 335 sit flush with the fender as if the OEM intended it to.
 
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Originally Posted by Robsc2s
Appreciate the knowledge. As I noted, this is a new endeavor for me and maybe other members. Would you expand on the aftermarket wheel purchase- for example other posts in this forum note there is no issue moving to 305's on a c2s without changing the wheel( 20x11). Also, what about tpms, center caps, ? Offset( what does that mean?), lug nut pattern,etc.. If I'm going to drop 5-7 k on wheels, tires, etc., I would love more insight direct from the manufacturer.
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I have to admit, HRE are good that way, they share offsets and info with ppl. Its refreshing as many don't and get all CIA about it.
 
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Volk, Neez, and BBS I think at present are the only ones that produce 8000 or higher forged ton pressed wheels. Volks are awesome wheels for the price.

I think HRE and Forgeline are either 5000 or 6000.

BBS makes a very good cast wheel as does ADVAN.
HRE go from 3k for cast all the way up to 10k for forged mono block concave, and 20k for carbon fiber.

Thats pretty much the range. Fully forged are around the 5.5k-10k range.
 
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HRE go from 3k for cast all the way up to 10k for forged mono block concave, and 20k for carbon fiber.

Thats pretty much the range. Fully forged are around the 5.5k-10k range.
I was not referring to the cost, but the forged tonnage.
The higher the number, the stronger and lighter the wheel generally is.
 


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