my car is an extension of my home, but the real question is this, why should I trust my life to someone who is robbing me, why would I let him determine how this goes, whether I live or die, I should trust him when he says he just wants my car? (Maybe he wants my keys, and the address to my home) Heres what I know, when the bad guys tell you to get in the car or trunk and "everything will be alright " if you do what they say, that is a Lie! its about to go real bad for you, there are evil people in this world, a firearm or any weapon give you another option to choose or not, I believe many people die their mouth agape, deer in the headlights look, paralyzed with fear, I hope I wont be one of them.

 

AMEN and AMEN!!!

 

any experience with the Sig 239, my 226 is a bit big for EDC

 

Anything is possible no matter what your behavior in a carjacking. I guess I just disagree as to the probabilities of different outcomes and how that should shape our rational behavior. To me, the odds are that a carjacker who approaches a 991 is there for the car, not to inflict injury.

Is it possible that if you act like a complete *ussy and give up the car right away, and cower on the pavement that he will still shoot you before driving off? I'm sure it's possible. I don't think it's at all probable. If you reach for a weapon, now it's your weapon against his possible weapon, and the odds are he's with at least one criminal buddy, if not more.

 

I don't consider it really defending your car, but defending yourself while you are in your car, or defending yourself when you are away from home or your car. A carjack is just one of many different situations that can happen while you are in your car.

Outside of always trying to have situational awareness and avoiding bad areas, my personal scenario would be to try to first drive away, run away, or somehow get away from the threat to defuse the situation, and only when there are no other options and I am in fear for my life, draw my weapon, and only draw my weapon if I am prepared to fire it. I would never draw my gun to attempt to intimidate, etc. That is a bad idea and could get you killed. No car or material possession is worth dying for.

 

I forgot to mention. If you put a 238 in your pocket and sit down, stand up and see if the magazine released! There is no guard around the mag release and its easy to press and it falls out The Keltec .380 is the same. The LCP has a guard around the mag release button. I was mistaken when I said I traded the 238, I still have it. The silver one with Black Wood grips. You are right about the sights, they are nice. It is a safe queen.. I actually put a little white paint on the tip of the front site on the Ruger...lol I really don't expect to need to use the sights on it though in a bad situation

 

Well said. I'd rather take my chances than let a bad guy get me alone and under his control.

 

"act like a complete *uss... and cower on the pavement"

Does that sound anything at all how you want to live or be remembered

I can't believe he just typed that With that mind set there is no wonder the criminals are becoming so "bolden"!!

 

You just can't trust the word of a criminal, I mean, they are criminals after all!!!

 

Absolutely that is how I feel and how I would live. Ego and pride can be good things -- in the boardroom, bedroom, sports field... They can only hurt you in a carjacking. If I ever get carjacked, my ONLY goal will be to leave the scene in complete health. You can be sure I don't give the slightest damn how wimpy I'm perceived by a carjacker, cops, passerbyes etc. or whether the carjacker goes on to do it another 100 times, moves to South America, or joins a travelling circus...

I want to be remembered as the guy who went home for dinner that night, got his insurance check a couple days later, and was in another 991 within a week. Nothing else matters.

 

That's all good, but I'm going to do my best to prevent him from going "on to do it another 100 times" and possibly killing someones child or raping their daughter while the parents watch! Come on...MAN UP and help control these bastages

 

Here is a question for you Florida Residents with Conceal Carry permits, or anyone else that knows. I've seen a couple comments about how you have to keep your gun concealed at all times and not visible. But from the 2013 Florida Gun Statues:

2013 Florida Statutes, Chapter 790, subsection 790.053 Open Carry of Firearms:

790.053 Open carrying of weapons.—
(1) Except as otherwise provided by law and in subsection (2), it is unlawful for any person to openly carry on or about his or her person any firearm or electric weapon or device. It is not a violation of this section for a person licensed to carry a concealed firearm as provided in s. 790.06(1), and who is lawfully carrying a firearm in a concealed manner, to briefly and openly display the firearm to the ordinary sight of another person, unless the firearm is intentionally displayed in an angry or threatening manner, not in necessary self-defense.

Would this not cover reholstering a gun from my rig in my car to a pocket holster in Florida if anyone happened to see it being done? As long as you are not displaying it in an angry or threatening manner, you can openly display a firearm briefly to the sight of another person in Florida, per the above. Reholstering a handgun in a pocket holster, then placing it in your pocket is not angry or threatening.

 

It all depends on who saw you and how much "stink" they raise when complaining. The burden of proof falls squarely in your lap! So someone a little jealous can "swear" you were threatening and it's up to you to prove you weren't. Depending on the officer and the situation the outcome can surprise you! That's the reason I opted for the feminine "fanny pak" for every day use!

 

Also, it has been stated in this thread that my rig would not be legal as it is pictured in Florida either. The gun is in a holster with a thumb break in place.

There are no Florida statutes prohibiting this type of transport in a motor vehicle in Florida that I could find, and no statutes naming the manner of carry in a motor vehicle, such as having it in the glove box, or having the ammo/gun separate, etc.

Florida Statute 790.251: Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.—

Just from reading the Statutes it does not seem my rig is illegal at all in Florida for someone with a Conceal Carry permit. No problem if I am wrong, but if someone could point it out to me from the official laws, I would appreciate it.

Here is the Florida Gun Law for 2013 from the Florida State website:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/...0790/0790.html

EDIT: The only thing I can think of would be if having the gun on the front seat or in the situation like I pictured is in violation of the Florida open carry statute, maybe, since it is visible from the outside? But again, I don't see it spelled out anywhere.

 

Im not shooting anyone over a car, but I dont trust criminals to make life changing decisions for me without my input, I guarantee you if I reach for a weapon its because I feel I am or my family is in danger. As for just the car, you might want to read about the tragedy that befell the Petit family, I believe his family was targeted because his wife was driving a nice car, raped strangled and burnt to death was the fate of his 2 daughters and wife, being a neurologist i figure he lived in a nice neighborhood and never considered the risks of these kinds of people, the firearm gives me a chance to equalize the odds, to give me a glimmer of hope, it is all that may stand between me, my family and grisly death and suffering, it is as important to me as my 911 at times, but in reality my 911 is a toy a firearm may save my life