Yes, agree with you both 981 and 991chassis are so good. Drove the new Boxter and it feels so compact and precise in a different way than 911. If you prefer that feeling 911 is no match. I needed 4 seats though, actually use them quite often. I did a lot of laps with a Boxter S some years ago, manual shifting. What a car! But the 911 is a totally different experience, more "action" if you know what I mean. That heavy engine in the rear trying to make trouble:roll eyes:

I still haven't come down from my high now feeling like a semi pro
You know, I have never raced cars, so I do not know if I deserve it

Cheers

 

Very impressive lap, thanks for sharing it!

 

Enjoyed watching it! Hope to drive one day there!!

 

Maybe Dag should be the new official C2 ambassador. To set every "you must get an S, the 'base' is slow and/or worthless"-poster straight, or take them to the green hell for a humbling experience !
Way to go Dag ! Your skills surpass mine a million times ! Respect !

 

This doesn't change my mind about non-S vs, S

On a track, the non-S is probably even more fun, because it really likes to be in the higher revs. (note, I have the same 3.4 engine in my Boxster!).
However... For daily driving on public roads, the S has the advantage of more torque at lower revs and because of that feels more powerful at normal speeds on public roads. Torque givs you that kind of "punch" at lower speeds, that makes you feel faster than you are actually going. (Not sure if I explain it right and clear).
I don't know about other P-car drivers, but I certainly do not drive every km/mile like I stole the vehicle... I also like to cruise sometimes.

When driving "easy", the S feels just that bit more special for the money to me. To each his own of course.... (I will never say the non-S 991 is a bad car, because it simply isn't. It's just a matter of preference)

Suzy991 (iOS app)

 

Agreed.

 

^^^^^This!
Dag should post his lap in all the current threads about "Porsche is behind the competition because their cars do not have enough hp". This is a beautiful lap and I doubt that any of the "should be 600-700 hp" whiners could get anywhere near Dag's time.

Hat's off to Dag!

 

Very Impressive!

In your opinion Dag: What do you think the difference would be between the 3.4 and 3.8 with similar equipment for the full lap? I think the 20.6 Time for the 991S is 7:37 or so (with PDCC I believe as well). How close do you think your set up could get to this with the 3.4?

 

Everything is relative !
My DD are a Mer C class and BMW 3 series, both with small turbodiesel engines. When I take out my 991 I can't help but wonder how you anyone complain about lack of torque in the 991 ! And where does it end ? Does the S have enough torque ? It's anemic compared to a C7 Z06 for example ! Maybe get that one as a DD ? It just never ends, where do you draw the line, what is enough and what is not enough ?

Plus I just can't understand why an S would feel "more special", when it's exactly the same car !

Good that so many people have different opinions ! The world and the forums would be a boring place without it ;-)

 

I complain about it.

But I agree the base S is still anemic compared to serious HP cars. But - each car serves a different purpose. For example - my DD has VASTLY more torque than my track car. I know that may sound backwards.

But, to me, enough torque means that you can navigate traffic at your whim, and not at the mercy of other drivers. Whether this means merging into 55mph traffic safely in the rain, or even getting in front of the person who instantaneously developed an inferiority complex and tries to accelerate to prevent you from going around a slower vehicle. When you can render these disrespectful acts useless - that is when I have enough torque. I believe I've accomplished that.

But the S is only worth it to the people who buy it. To some, the base 911 is quite a special car. And they are a lot of fun.

To me, I prefer the Turbo (preferably Turbo S). The most amount of HP from the factory as at least a starting point. BUT - I am willing to give up the sound of an engine to experience more torque and sensation of speed (N/A vs F/I). I prefer actual performance more than perceived performance. Because cars around me don't yield to a car that sounds better, rather they yield to one that is actually in front of them.

It is all preference.

 

Hi there, you can not get PDCC on the base. Porsche says it gives 4 second at the Ring, so lets say thats true. The horsepower difference…..I guess 6 seconds.
So if Sport Auto did a Supertest with my car, I believe around 7.54.
If one of the young pro drivers drove it, or Timo Kluck who did the 7.37.9 with the S, I guess a 7.48.
By the way, the video with Timo in the S takes more than 7.44 on the youtube, while the V-box in his car says 7.37,9……….lets just say there is something wrong with that video :-)

By the way, if I got a week or two to practice, instead of 1 or 2 days driving each time I go there, I could surely work to narrow the gap. And another factor, I have to drive my car home…..in one peace :-) So to be honest I can point out more than 10 places on the track where I hold back a little or avoid full speed turns, backing off the throttle a little even if I did not have to. Better safe than sorry...

Dag

 

Hi again :-)

if you drive a manual I agree. With PDK it is way more similar, since you pick up revs so easily.

But more important, both 3.4 and 3.8 needs maximum revs to work, non of them are good regarding torque, like turbo/supercharged/big block engines are.
Look at Timo Klucks lap 7.37,9, he revs like crazy using 2nd places I used 3rd, and 3rd when I use 4th. In the S.

My brother and a friend have the S, I have to say in direct comparison the difference (on a normal road also) is very very small. If anyone did do all that driving I have done against S cars on track, autobahn and B roads they would simply not believe it, how invisible the difference are, even at speeds toward 300 km/h.

But like Suzy says, it feels stronger that S :-) And it is

 

Totally agree with you. Personally I love the screaming sound, so turbo is not for me….but the GT3 would be perfect if it had 4 seats!
The new turbo have way more sound than the 997 by the way.

 

Good post!

 

Thank you!

We have to remember that some countries (like Norway where I live) have crazy tax on cars. For me it was + 33.000 US dollars extra for a similar S.
And since I really thought they were so similar when testing, the choice was easy. It is also fun to be the "underdog" and having to fight hard to get the results.

Dag