I think if you are going"porscherize" the cost to 3-4x what a typical ECU flash costs .....at least come to the table with all the facts and documents. IMO it is somewhat of an insult to Porsche owners to just come to the table with a "trust me " and invoice for 2k. I guess we (owners) are just considered rich dumbbells.

 

Nobody is trying to throw a vendor under the bus. If there is a good tune that can be uploaded through the OBDII, that's very good news. The more products and the more competition, the better for the consumers. A previous comment was: if you do not believe it, do not buy it. The point is that there are customers legitimately interested and not getting more assurance that the product works is frustrating them. That's at least my case. I am considering the GIAC tune and if there is an alternative, I want to have a look at it too.

I know that the impact of the tune is going to be limited on the power and torque curves for our NA car, but seeing one -that actually shows reasonable (=limited) gains- would get me a lot more confident. Knowing that at least another 991S has been tuned and driven for hours without issue would help convincing me too. I will be totally transparent and say that I want to be absolutely sure that the tune has actually been tested on a 991S and not developed on a computer and that testing, on the street or on a rolling road has been used to fine tune the software etc. The fact that mention is made of reprogramming the PDK makes me even more fearful as a lot of time should have been necessary to improve on what full crews of engineers have developed in Weissach.

I am an engineer by trade and data and facts are required to sell me something. I am not calling anyone a liar or questioning vendor capabilities but explaining what it takes to get people like me confident enough to take the step and tune their engines. Since this is an open forum, I'd rather have facts and data shared in full transparency rather than through PM's.

So here was my post, not emotional, not judgmental, just explaining what could sell me on the product. As simple as that.

 

I respect that. Will have data tmrw. Look further into other tuning outlets, most don't own the cars and a lot of it is computer calibration. Nothing wrong with it but your test philosophy makes very good common sense. It's just not plausible for every car. What people say and do are very different. Seen it first hand as a reseller and consumer. Do you know how many shops say they already have M4 tuning and the car is not here... The map creation for stock cars is easy, it's the read and write tools that are the challenge. Ironically I gave the 991TT guys everything you 991cs guys asked for but not a peep from them!

 

It may not come across in the forum, but your website is no more forthcoming than your cryptic post and unsupported claims..

"Proven product from manf we work with".. And that means exactly what to me ... as your obviously ignorant customer who hasn't a clue as to what you are talking about?? The one you hoped to sell to by being condescending and dismissive ?

I actually believe that you probably have a pretty good product, as you definitely aren't a fly by night operation. But you are jumping the gun by marketing before you have anything really to talk about.

And you know what, we may be harsh and I know you just want to drum up interest for a potentially great product.. But you don't seem to have a clue you are seriously pissing people off with your smug *** attitude...

You've probably taken 20 seriously potential customers and cemented in their minds that you and your company are jerks.. We may be completely off base but perception is reality regardless. And if you do have any real marketing experience you would know that someone who is pissed off will tell 10 people.. So you've created at least 200 people with a bad attitude toward you and your company..

Or you could just keep running your mouth and make it worse..

 

"Ironically I gave the 991TT guys everything you 991cs guys asked for but not a peep from them!"

Or they just dismissed you and didn't waste their time..

Nice job insulting your previously potential customers.. But go ahead.. keep talking..

 

Like I said, he's digging deeper....

 

Interesting thread:

http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforum...-tried-it.html

 

Hot Honda, his tests and results were impressive. Unfortunately things get thrown around in forums by others who have not worked with us or have heard rumors that they feel like sharing. The same people going back and forth there have never worked with us and its unfortunate people listen to others without actual experiences. It is what it is, and as many negative comments people like to post, there are more positive. If any of that was true, then since 2001 starting with nothing, I am surprised to be here with 30 employees.

This thread has gone to waste. Going to start a new one discussing TCU Tuning.

 

Yup, that's pretty much it. I can't really argue with that, either.

 

I wish you well with your business but it won't be with me as a client. My recommendation to you is to listen and learn. Taking a business class may also help.

 

Perhaps some Dale Carnegie training. http://www.dalecarnegie.com Strangely enough they are still there. Vivid appears in need of some help in making friends and influencing people. "Communicate with diplomacy and tact
Become a more persuasive communicator
Be an effective leader
Reduce stress". Yup. That is the ticket

 

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Been the better part of a month, we never did see that engineering information you promised..

I think everyone was hoping to at least see some dyno data...

 

I did post that info earlier but must have got lost in the other posts unrelated - http://www.vrtuned.com/tuning/why-tc...is-beneficial/

As far as the dyno plot, went to do the after dynos once the car was done doing miles, dyno computer fried, have sent out back to Mustang Dyno for repair. Will resume once we get it back and post those.

 

Oh, yes, the generic marketing info

But of course all we are really interested in is seeing a dyno, so if you ever manage to get that I'm sure folks will be interested at that point..