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There is no real competition for what Porsche has to offer ! That being said. I will NOT upgrade my 991 to any 911 with a turbo. So this better be a phase until hybrid NA + electro motor combo are in the cards for the 911. Otherwise, the next one will be GT3 :-)
Very good perspective. I wonder what they will do with the GT3 given the government fuel and emissions mandates? My guess is that the next Turbo and Turbo S will be hybridized and cost more than the current versions, like ~$20k more for the base price. They are also likely to have significant hp/torque gains with better performance all around. My further guess is that the GT3 and its variants and to a lesser extent the current TT and TTS will become desirable collector's cars relatively soon because they are gas powered.
What don't I like let's see I was disappointed the moment I drove off the lot because I felt it was a significant downgrade from my beloved 997 with regard to engine and steering feel. I do however like the new interior. The seven speed manual is the only saving grace that has allowed me to keep the car this long if it were PVK I probably would've hung myself by now .my girlfriend has a 991 1S PD K and I drive it quite frequently back to back with my car and my car is infinitely more fun than hers to drive. At the end of the day I'm just tired of paying more and getting less. I don't want to hear BS about Porsche not having high horsepower because they do make high horsepower cars. If Porter not about power there would be no such thing as a 600 hp GT two
I risk being completely repetitive here, but you don't belong in a 911 if you have these worries.
I absolutely do not mean that in a demeaning way; my point is that you could have picked many other cars that are at (or, more appropriately, below) the price point of a 911 and offer more power.
Your statements are correct, but you're misdirecting them. Porsche is NOT about higher horsepower. Porsche "supercars" and higher models DO have higher horsepower, but the 911 has never been about straight-line speed. Is it really so difficult to understand?
Also, I keep seeing the counter-arguments that start with, "stop mentioning that Porsches are track cars." Ahem... why is that something that can't be mentioned?
Take a look at Nurburgring lap times:
Pay attention to the multitude of cars the 991S beats on the track. Why is that something that so many individuals tend to overlook in a discussion? If you're not interested how the car handles at the limit and how it can out-pace many other, higher-priced performance/super cars, then why criticize the 911? You should be driving a Panamera Turbo instead.
You're buying a 3,000lb Porsche model that has history and performance behind it. You're buying mechanical precision. You're buying a car that can drive you to work, drive you and your wife to dinner, but also drive your pants off at a world-class racetrack.
You're NOT buying a straight-line drag racer. Get over it. If straight-line speed and horsepower are your interests, you're not looking at the right car.
I risk being completely repetitive here, but you don't belong in a 911 if you have these worries.
I absolutely do not mean that in a demeaning way; my point is that you could have picked many other cars that are at (or, more appropriately, below) the price point of a 911 and offer more power.
Your statements are correct, but you're misdirecting them. Porsche is NOT about higher horsepower. Porsche "supercars" and higher models DO have higher horsepower, but the 911 has never been about straight-line speed. Is it really so difficult to understand?
Also, I keep seeing the counter-arguments that start with, "stop mentioning that Porsches are track cars." Ahem... why is that something that can't be mentioned?
Take a look at Nurburgring lap times:
Pay attention to the multitude of cars the 991S beats on the track. Why is that something that so many individuals tend to overlook in a discussion? If you're not interested how the car handles at the limit and how it can out-pace many other, higher-priced performance/super cars, then why criticize the 911? You should be driving a Panamera Turbo instead.
You're buying a 3,000lb Porsche model that has history and performance behind it. You're buying mechanical precision. You're buying a car that can drive you to work, drive you and your wife to dinner, but also drive your pants off at a world-class racetrack.
You're NOT buying a straight-line drag racer. Get over it. If straight-line speed and horsepower are your interests, you're not looking at the right car.
Holy crap. The C2S is faster than an LFA or 458?? Were those professional drivers? That's awesome!
And I totally agree with everything you said in your post.
Holy crap. The C2S is faster than an LFA or 458?? Were those professional drivers? That's awesome! And I totally agree with everything you said in your post.
Lol! I too am surprised it's faster than a 458. The LFA on the other hand doesn't surprise me one bit. An SMG box will really cripple a car's performance. Like astons it performs slower than you would think/hope especially for the money. Also, no cup holders.... boo, boo I say.
I have watched this thread and held my tongue for awhile, but need to chime in now. I have a 991 base C2 PDK and drive it to work everyday on a 40 mile loop combined of freeway, twisty back roads, and long straights (yes, I am lucky ). The car DOES need more power. This is my #1 complaint with this car. It needs more torque on the freeway when driving in traffic when you need to accelerate quickly to merge, it needs more torque and HP on straights when you want to overtake another vehicle safely, it needs more HP when accelerating out of corners. Truthfully, I do not understand why people think that it has enough power. I have ridden 1000cc sport bikes the better part of my life, so I know what can be done safely with more power. More power can add a better experience while driving. I want both exceptional handling and the rush of speed. Why can't we get this in a $100k Porsche? I am actually looking forward to the new turbo variations. And yes, I could spend $200k on a turbo S, but an additional $100k for more power is hard for me to justify.
Being in the right gear trumps having more low-end horsepower/torque every time. With a PDK you have no excuses - rip an instant downshift or two and fly away. Those who say they want more power in this car are just too lazy to downshift.
I have watched this thread and held my tongue for awhile, but need to chime in now. I have a 991 base C2 PDK and drive it to work everyday on a 40 mile loop combined of freeway, twisty back roads, and long straights. The car DOES need more power. It needs more torque on the freeway when driving in traffic when you need to accelerate quickly to merge, it needs more torque and HP on straights when you want to overtake another vehicle safely, it needs more HP when accelerating out of corners.
I have the exact same car as you.
You need to learn how to downshift more. The power is there. You just have to be in the right gear to fully exploit it and PDK makes that incredibly easy.
Let's say you're on the freeway and the PDK box has you in 7th. Well you're right, if you floor it in 7th it's not even going to move. 6th? Not much better. But flick it down to 4th and it will accelerate very strongly. If you're really feeling like it shift all the way down into 3rd and punch it. I think you'll find it hard to complain.
Slower corners? Make sure you're in 2nd not 3rd. Lots of power there.
You have to shift. This engine needs to be rung out. It makes power ABOVE 4,500RPM.
It is apparent that there is a different expectation of "power" by some of us. It is funny that the two previous posts assume I don't understand the concept of keeping the engine in the higher rev range or I simply don't know how (or am too lazy) to shift. Wow, really? I have owned and raced all type of motorsport vehicles and understand how to use them. I use the manual mode of the PDK almost exclusively and keep the engine swinging between 5500 - 7500 RPMs when driving hard. And yes, I know how and when to downshift. I think it all boils down to what is expected. Some of us want the car to pull harder and faster than others. For us, there is not enough power. Period. Everyone has a right to their opinion. This happens to be mine.
no way is the 991 C2S faster than a 458. Sorry but that screen capture is misleading. I'm almost certain the 458 does it in the high 7:20s or low 7:30s.
The C2S is not the fastest in the straights, not the fastest around the track, not the best daily driver. but it does all pretty well.
I was very pleased owning my NA 272 HP 993 Carerra and my 2003 Carerra Cab with 320 HP. I was beaten back then by Vettes, Mazda RX7's and some Rice Burners but the mystique of owning a 911 trumped everything. I felt really special every time I drove both of these two cars. I currently own a new Turbo S but back then I felt HP and Torque and 0 to 60 were not everything.
Porsche usually does everything well so I have faith the new aspirated engines will be great on the upcoming 911.
I am still a believer after 15 years that there is no substitute for a 911 whether a base Carerra or a Turbo S. I never felt special in an American made car which had no presence. 911s all have presence, prolific? Yes but still have an aura of prestige IMO.
I have owned and raced all type of motorsport vehicles and understand how to use them. I use the manual mode of the PDK almost exclusively and keep the engine swinging between 5500 - 7500 RPMs.
Well then.
The C2 does 0-60 in 4.8 seconds and tops out at 290 km/h. That's quick enough for most of us. But clearly you need something faster.
These cars are all quicker. Take your pick:
2012 Ariel Atom 500 (V-8) 0-60 mph 2.3
2011 Bugatti Veyron 16.4 Super Sport 0-60 mph 2.4
2013 Caterham Seven R600 Roadster 0-60 mph 2.5
2010 Pagani Zonda R 0-60 mph 2.6
2012 Koenigsegg Agera R 0-60 mph 2.7
2014 Porsche 918 Spyder 0-60 mph 2.7
2014 McLaren P1 0-60 mph 2.7
2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 0-60 mph 2.8
2005 Ferrari FXX Enzo 0-60 mph 2.8
2009 Caparo T1 Race Extreme 0-60 mph 2.8
2011 Porsche 911 Turbo S 0-60 mph 2.9
2011 Ferrari 599XX 0-60 mph 2.9
2011 McLaren MP4-12C 0-60 mph 2.9
2012 Nissan GT-R 0-60 mph 2.9
2012 Audi TT RS 0-60 mph 3.5
2012 Audi R8 GT 0-60 mph 3.4
2005 Aston Martin DBR9 0-60 mph 3.5
2010 Bentley Continental Supersports 0-60 mph 3.6
2011 BMW M3 GTS 0-60 mph 3.6
2013 BMW M5 0-60 mph 3.6
2011 Chevrolet Camaro SLP ZL1 0-60 mph 3.1
2001 Chevrolet Corvette C5-R 0-60 mph 3.4
2008 Dodge Viper SRT-10 ACR 0-60 mph 3.3
2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia 0-60 mph 3.5
2011 Ferrari 458 Italia 0-60 mph 3.0
1997 Ferrari F50 0-60 mph 3.5
2005 Ford GT 0-60 mph 3.5
1994 McLaren F1 0-60 mph 3.1
2007 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren (722 Edition) 0-60 mph 3.4
2010 Mercedes SL65 AMG Black Series 0-60 mph
2012 Mercedes SLS AMG Roadster 0-60 mph 3.4
I remember a time when I *thought* they actually mattered...
I remember when my 356 did 0-60 in 13 seconds.
And when my '66 911 did it in 7.5 I thought it was frighting fast. A few years ago I bought my son a '73 and I wondered what I was thinking.
Everyone is talking about HP, turbocharging and torque on this "facelift" thread, but there has to be more to the second generation upgrade than that. I am looking forward to seeing what other changes Porsche makes on the gen 2 car.
11-05-2014 | 02:54 PM
). The car DOES need more power. This is my #1 complaint with this car. It needs more torque on the freeway when driving in traffic when you need to accelerate quickly to merge, it needs more torque and HP on straights when you want to overtake another vehicle safely, it needs more HP when accelerating out of corners. Truthfully, I do not understand why people think that it has enough power. I have ridden 1000cc sport bikes the better part of my life, so I know what can be done safely with more power. More power can add a better experience while driving. I want both exceptional handling and the rush of speed. Why can't we get this in a $100k Porsche? I am actually looking forward to the new turbo variations. And yes, I could spend $200k on a turbo S, but an additional $100k for more power is hard for me to justify.
