I agree.

I have a 7MT without Sport Chrono.

If you're getting the manual, the Sport Chrono really isn't necessary. The Dynamic Engine Mounts and Sport-Plus features won't be missed.

However if you're getting the PDK, then the Sport Chrono is a must-have option as it adds quicker shifting and launch control for the PDK.

 

Well.....not exactly. I have Sport Chrono on my "S" manual and its loads of fun in SPORT PLUS. I can't tell the difference in the Dynamic Engine Mounts because the only way you'll feel that is track testing, but when I press the SPORT PLUS button the exhaust note changes and becomes deeper and more pronounced (this is on a non-Sport Exhaust car) and the engine definitely is more crisp in performance. Rev Matching is no big deal, just something fun - but I do it for the more aggressive engine mapping and exhaust changes (which sound marvelous on my Tubi Cat Back exhaust, btw).

 

I struggle with your comment as I feel I must be doing something inherently wrong when I track my car. I have run many laps in normal, sport and sport +. I settle now exclusively for + on the track. I find that the difference in + is night and day over the sport mode. The throttle travel is more responsive. The engine mounts calm the car when shifting at the edge. The steering is more responsive. I do agree that the gear hold is less than smooth on power upshifts, but there is no reason why one can't shift manually. I find most of those less than smooth shifts occur coming out of a corner onto and down a straight. I have learned to shift manually there, to reach smoother upshift results.



I guess everyone has a different style, comfort level and control threshold over the shift process.

 

Do you have PDK? I have a manual, so I believe we're talking about two different experiences here.

To address your question anyway, I don't think you're doing anything wrong. I should have stressed that I am basically forcing myself to use Sport instead of Sport Plus so I can properly learn how to track a manual car without any aids.

That said, I have used Sport Plus and it is an absolute joy on track. I can probably shave a second or two off of my lap times at Willow Springs if I stick with Sport Plus and forget about rev-matching and proper downshifts.

 

Yes, I have PDK. I should have paid more attention to your post, now it makes more sense to me. ,

 

If you are not a trackrat, just forget about that stupid SC. It ads VERY LITTLE over the standard SPORT mode !

 

I agree, it ads little practical value other than a clock on the dash.. Launch control is something you only use once or twice to try out and the dynamic engine mounts are of negligible value unless you drive ***** out...

I bought into that argument: Oh it is necessary for resale value... Which is nonsense..and nothing more than a rationalization for spending an extra $3K on it.

In reality next time around I'll use the 3K on something else in my build.. Because SC is the least valuable option I have on mine...

 

Given your engineering sophistication I'm surprised on your opinion on this subject. My experience with German rubber is that it hardens rapidly with time and temperature changes. In addition, the elastomeric properties are narrow band even when they are new. Both of these will contribute to engine and transmission vibrations to the cockpit and growing with age. The hydraulic engine mounts avoids this problem, doesn't it? In addition, I am much more comfortable with the back end management while taking corners quickly than I was in my 997 with rubber mounts.

ChuckJ

 

Chuck, Good points on that..I hadn't really considered from that perspective (specifically increased vibration as the mounts age). I'll have to think about that a little bit as you may have something there... I guess on the surface I would consider that sort of a maintenance item (i.e. they should be replaced if that eventually occurs) but then again, $3K may not be such a bad value after all if you never had to do that.. Then again, I'm not sure exactly what the reliability of the dyn mounts is either. Your comment makes me want to think about the merits of my opinion though... And I suppose part of the reason I opted for the SC when I was checking boxes...

There is no question that the SC motor mounts are greatly superior in terms of performance.. A simple rubber motor mount can only handle a specific band of vibration/frequency (usually that applicable to the engine RPM) where a more sophisticated isolation system such as the dynamic mounts is capable of handling the low frequency as well which is what bites you under the rapidly changing torque conditions when the engine is essentially wants to rotate on it's mounts (i.e. when you apply full throttle as you hit the apex of a turn). And of course that has a tendency to mess with the rear end of a 911...

I'm just saying for non-track folks it probably rarely or never comes into play.. And the 991 rear end seems just phenomenally more stable anyway (even without dynamic mounts) than the 997's to me (lol almost too stable in some ways to many)..

 

As a return on your investment come resale and ease of sale, the Chrono will be more valuable than spending the money on deviated stitching or something cosmetic.

Cars having no sunroof, Bose, SC, or PSE are a harder sell. I'd throw PASM Sport suspension and 14 way seats in there too.

 

Yeah, not really buying into that one anymore.. I do agree there are certain things that you do want to have.. And you are right certain things which are highly personalized and expensive are not really return on investment items.. Same thing with the more oddball color/interior combinations..

I just don't think chrono on a 5 year old used car (which is about when I'll sell) is going to be a deal breaker for most buyers..Especially since I keep my cars pristine.. It certainly wouldn't be for me..

I also don't know about PASM sport.. For everyone I talk to in person that has it, I find another who dreads it.. As it is I can barely get my non-sport out of my driveway or into my parking lot at work without dragging it.. So for me I'll pass on that just out of necessity..

But your points are good and well taken...

That said, Mine is well equipped and I did buy SC so I suppose I won't really find out anyway.. I'm just pretty sure I won't order it on my 2019 model when I buy it lol..

 

I agree. It's a package deal.

I've just seen some new cars in the lot that someone at the dealer did a bad job ordering, and they are hard to move.

 

Yeah, some of the stuff I saw on lot's was atrocious.. And the same one's seemed to sit on the lots for a long time..

I originally wanted to find low mile used 991... And I couldn't find anything that was even close to what I wanted.. Which now that I think about it sort of contradicts some of my previous points a little lol..

But it was the same for what I saw for new models on the lots.. which ultimately is why I decided to order exactly what I wanted..

 

This is what someone should buy used and save some $$ 140K build. 1,700 miles.

You could probably get it for 110K

Someone took a big hit. All new cars do.

http://m.ebay.com/itm/271665862040?_mwBanner=1

 

Yeah, nice build and nice price for something that isn't even broken in yet.

Although the red accents aren't my personal cup of tea... And that's what led me to do my own build.. I just never could find something that I could live with given I was going to spend well over $100K... anyway..

sigh...