Nicely put. I got all above and couldn't agree more. One additional could be pse (vs burmester if you're not into music) and sport chrono...ok..that's it!!! Rest of key options are cosmetics/luxury (ext leather, stitching, colored belts etc etc).

 

I will never in a million years understand the play call when you have the best back in the NFL. The Hawks are already favored to win it next year. They'll be back.

 

Guys I am going to evaluate a CPO C2S vs leasing a C2. So far there are no CPO C2S under $90K around me.

Can anyone tell me if I buy a car with a MT will I have issues on resale down the road? I noticed the dealers stock mostly PDK thus I am thinking the typical buyer is not looking for a MT. Thoughts?

 

Don't save your car or you wife for the next guy.....what do YOU want to drive?

 

Seahawk,
I would first figure out if you are going to buy or lease. I say this for a couple of reasons.

• If you were going to do a short-term lease it would most certainly push me into a lightly optioned "S" if I were to lease again. With Porsche the MF base rate is typically .002 and therefore you are going to negotiate the sale price, the only other factor are the residuals. The base usually has a higher residual than the S but for a few hundred bucks more a month the S will be worth it.
• The manual vs. PDK is irrelevant for resale. You can buy what you would like and not worry about resale.

As far as your question about PDK vs. Manual, it is a passionate topic amongst the owners particularly of the manual. The resale of PDK’s is better, and sells quicker. On the other hand a couple of years from now I am sure you find a purist seeking one out. I can send the auction results from Manheim to support this if you would like.

 

Excellent advice. I am researching the resale option for a 13-14 S, but so far nothing jumps out locally. I could easily find 11-12 997, but I am a big fan of the changes made on the 991. I hear everyone on hear complaining about the depreciation, but they seem to hold quite well. Certainly better than an equivalently priced MBZ.

 

Sounds good. Stick to plan with the 991 and be patient. You'll find the right car and deal for you.

 

Good choice on the transmission.

I wouldn't count on getting 10% off - that's the exception, not the rule. And typically for a car that's been sitting for a while and either wildly over-optioned or a stripper that hasn't moved.

I am firmly outside of the must-have PSE/SportChrono/Bose camp. Silly expensive crap, IMHO. I concur with the others that suggest getting the "S".

I have full leather on my car, and I love it. Stupid expensive, but it's really a huge step up from a bunch of plastic. Still cheaper than the PSE/SC/Bose.

Depending on your needs, the 14 or even 18-way power seats may be a worthwhile expenditure for you. PDLS is also good, especially if you're over 40 and like to see where you're going at night.

My suggestion always is, and always shall be: don't compromise. You're spending north of $100K, so order exactly what you want in your colors. Don't buy the ugly car with extra options that you don't want just because it's available today and you can get 10% off. You can buy exactly what you want, without silly options, and end up spending less money. Sure, you have to wait 3 months, but it's worth it.

 

From what I can tell it's much tougher to negotiate price in NW than other states with high volume dealerships so 6% doesn't seem terrible--I'll assume it was Larson and not Barrier that offered the discount. Personally, I've tried to negotiate with Sunset in Beaverton and they have no desire to do so. This will be even more extreme if you try to negotiate on a lease. (btw, go MT if you lease because the resale value won't be your problem)

Have you thought about going to another state to purchase/lease the car? You may have better luck finding what you want for the price you want, especially if you're looking at dealer inventory and not a build.

Before you decide on Carrera vs Carrera S, how important are 50hp and red brakes to you? How will you be driving it everyday? Will you be tracking the car? Unless you're tracking and constantly pushing the car, the Carrera S strikes me more about status/ego than performance. Obviously the S is a bit faster, but if it's about speed, there are faster cars for the money, including the GTS or GT3.

Keep in mind that some options, like Sport Chrono and XM Radio, cannot be retrofitted to the vehicle by the dealer while others, like PDLS, can. So make sure you get what you want with the car. For comfort, I like the Premium Package. I have PSE on my 991 and while I do like it, it's a huge waste of money and adds zero performance to the car; but it does make loud gurgling sounds!

I'm with Beemer Guy, upgrade the interior. The 991 has very cheap materials considering it's a 100K car.

 

I'm not going to address the poseur comment, for I cannot imagine a Porsche owner being concerned about appearances.

I will say though that yes, you may not really appreciate the extra 50 horsies on the street, but the increase to 3.8L does give you more torque, which is instantly recognizable even at low RPMs and gives you a more pleasant accelerating experience.

I'll also add that there is more to the "S" than just the big brakes and bigger engine. PVT/PTV plus and PASM also come standard on the S, just to name two biggies.

 

Ok. You have looks/options and performance.

Some guys load up both, One or the other, or a little of both. You want the ultimate car go nuts.

I think spending an extra 10K or so for an S with some great performance options is small change seeing how much you need to just get into a base. It's a bargain, and nice to have on any street.

Money spend on most performance options will depreciate at a slower rate than pure cosmetic ones (excessive leather, etc.)

At the end of the day we have a pretty diverse group here and get what you want with your hard earned money.

For me, I bought a 911 sports car. The performance options were critical with having the interior appointments at an "average" level to find a reasonably priced car.

If you can find close to what you want preowned, that's the best option. It took me a year, and found 90% of what made me happy. The exterior cosmetic options it was missing, I added after the fact.

 

This is an enthusiast website so everyone is going to say get an S however the non S is a great performance car. FYI I have an S.

 

I am now fully aware this an enthusiast site. I keep trying to understand what's wrong with a non S. In all honesty the feedback makes sense. I am looking for a CPO C2S, but I am open. The key is not to be in a hurry.

To those who asked I found 8-9% off MSRP if I buy in SoCal or 6% if I buy locally in Bellevue. The dealer in Bellevue are rude so I am looking out of state for sure.

 

I too am looking to get a new vehicle and my differential is (in no particular order)
C4S (Used)
M4
2009-11 Aston Martin Vantage

The Aston is a beautiful vehicle that bridges both worlds of comfort and sportiness. The downside is that the manu-matic stinks and, with the 6-speed, the clutch is very heavy compared to other cars. Not many on the road, so it is unique. There is no one to service the vehicle in my area.

I really enjoyed the M4 when I test drove it for about an hour. I found it to be quite comfortable, good sound, and would be a great daily driver. The downside is the lack of AWD and that there are lots of 3 Series on the road that doesn't allow for the M4 to stand out.

The 911 I test drove (a base C) had less "thrill" in comparison to the M4 with its low-end torque. That's why I would go for a 'S.' My concern for me is using this as a daily driver and having issues with the lack of some of the comforts that the M4 offers (storage, egress/ingress, overall comfort).

That's why I don't think its fair to directly compare the 911 to the M4. I find them to be completely different animals....like comparing a cheetah to a tiger. Both are majestic in their own rights, but there are differences that will appeal more to one person than to others. If I could afford both, I would get both and enjoy the heck out of them.

So for now, I just read forums, watch videos....paralysis by analysis has me stumped.

 

There's no right or wrong answer. They make different models for a reason. Some guys won't settle for anything less than a Turbo or GT3.

For me, it's like taking a trip to Florida and not hitting the beach. To some cruising around the boulevard is sufficient.

If anything, I hear more whining about even the S not having enough power.

All we can do is outline the facts for you to make your own decision.

Some dealers feel like the area they're in can justify higher prices because of the median incomes. It's really unfortunate.