Installing K16/K24 Hybrids...need Software advice...Sponsors/Tuners enter
#62
12-09-2007, 10:20 AM
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#63
12-09-2007, 10:21 AM
This is all based on what I saw yesterday on elliot's car. But hey if u think 13 anything is good on a turbo car. Its all on you girls.
Im sure the 5 bar is gonna help the fact that the turbos hit max tq sooner ptttttth then the k24/26's right lol good luck. Stop being so cheap and get a real program meant for your turbos. so defensive! I don't even have this set up and I wish it upon no one. PJ k24's make MORE power anyways.
Last edited by Highhats; 12-09-2007 at 10:25 AM.
#64
12-09-2007, 10:22 AM
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That is not exactly right. At one small point it went to lean 13:2 about 3200 RPM,the higher RPMs were fine. Tony felt it could be that 5 bar PR should be installed. That said I would certainly let Tony do a custom tune he is very talented and really knows his s....t , infact I will bring my 965T EFI w /Haltech for him to clean up.
John D Drag raced (which I don't do )this set up numerous times and as He said ,he got the most out it with no problems to his engine.
The car runs very strong for what it is as evidenced by the Dyno sheets I will post as soon as I figure out how to ( DUH) sheets.
I still have a lot of confidence in FVD, and over all the performance was very excellent, compared the the other programs dynoed that day.
I enjoyed meeting the other guys.
AWD Mustang Dyno
Horsepower
465.5 @ 5400 rpm /87.2mph
Torque ft lbs
546 @ 3519 RPM /57mph
SG k16/24s
FVD program
Ported OEM headers
GT2 IC's
Evoms intake
Forge diverters
Fabspeed GEN 3
Elliot
That is not exactly right. At one small point it went to lean 13:2 about 3200 RPM,the higher RPMs were fine. Tony felt it could be that 5 bar PR should be installed. That said I would certainly let Tony do a custom tune he is very talented and really knows his s....t , infact I will bring my 965T EFI w /Haltech for him to clean up.
John D Drag raced (which I don't do )this set up numerous times and as He said ,he got the most out it with no problems to his engine.
The car runs very strong for what it is as evidenced by the Dyno sheets I will post as soon as I figure out how to ( DUH) sheets.
I still have a lot of confidence in FVD, and over all the performance was very excellent, compared the the other programs dynoed that day.
I enjoyed meeting the other guys.
AWD Mustang Dyno
Horsepower
465.5 @ 5400 rpm /87.2mph
Torque ft lbs
546 @ 3519 RPM /57mph
SG k16/24s
FVD program
Ported OEM headers
GT2 IC's
Evoms intake
Forge diverters
Fabspeed GEN 3
Elliot
#67
12-09-2007, 10:41 AM
Elliot the car should be running stead 11.8 on pump gas. My motor was fine till I opened her up and saw the damage. Come on stephen show these guys pics of my motor opened. PS any tuner come on here and comment on going 13.2 coming onto boost at peak tq. they will say r u kidding me on a Porsche WHAT DO U WANT TO BLOW IT UP.
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Tell us how much boost you have been running before you saw the damage?
#68
12-09-2007, 10:46 AM
Elliot call George I want him to explain to you how wrong your set up is. You have a setup designed for turbos which hit max tq peak way later then your turbos. 5 bar or not your car will never run perfect afr's unless u tune it fo rthe turbos on it. To answer your question on my k16/24's I ran 1.2 bar and put down a hell of alot more power then the fvd software.
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#69
12-09-2007, 10:52 AM
Elliot, very strong numbers. Congratulations!
For the record, I used the FVD stage 4 software with the K16/24's because it was recommended by The Speed Gallery after having done several of these installations prior to mine...This combination was dyno tested, data logged and real world tested long before my installation. On more than one occasion, Sam at SG said the 5 bar FPR was not necessary with this set-up, but I guess it can't hurt. My engine has 80,000 spirited miles on it and runs virtually identical to Marty's. Marty's best trap is 134+, mine is 133+. Marty has the Proto dual intake and I do not, so I do not think I have suffered any engine damage by running this set-up. I data logged my AFR's at WOT and I am not sure, but I think I was getting about 12.5 with Elliots set-up. Whatever the number was..I called Sam and he said it was normal and fine...not to worry. I never gave it a second thought after that.
Elliot, if you have any questions or concerns, call Sam at The Speed Gallery and discuss this with him. He knows the set-up well and can answer any questions you may have...Tell him you have John D's old set-up. He knows it.
For the record, I used the FVD stage 4 software with the K16/24's because it was recommended by The Speed Gallery after having done several of these installations prior to mine...This combination was dyno tested, data logged and real world tested long before my installation. On more than one occasion, Sam at SG said the 5 bar FPR was not necessary with this set-up, but I guess it can't hurt. My engine has 80,000 spirited miles on it and runs virtually identical to Marty's. Marty's best trap is 134+, mine is 133+. Marty has the Proto dual intake and I do not, so I do not think I have suffered any engine damage by running this set-up. I data logged my AFR's at WOT and I am not sure, but I think I was getting about 12.5 with Elliots set-up. Whatever the number was..I called Sam and he said it was normal and fine...not to worry. I never gave it a second thought after that.
Elliot, if you have any questions or concerns, call Sam at The Speed Gallery and discuss this with him. He knows the set-up well and can answer any questions you may have...Tell him you have John D's old set-up. He knows it.
Last edited by John D; 12-09-2007 at 10:58 AM.
#70
12-09-2007, 10:58 AM
I hear you john. but 12.5 is afr you run these P cars on race gas not pump. Honestly unless u pu ta car on a dyno or rip apart the motor you could possibly never feel the affects of possible damage being caused. My motor was a champ, I took it apart and the wear was visible. DId the car flutter a bit, not at all. Im just lookin out. When we have custom tuners now in th elimelight, why mess with OTS for non OTS turbos? I must make some sense, no? Also peak afr is not the issue here its coming onto boost and TQ.
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Last edited by Highhats; 12-09-2007 at 11:00 AM.
#71
12-09-2007, 11:05 AM
The 13.2 at torque peak did trouble me. But honestly what troubled me more was how hard it knocked at the same spot.
This is acutally the first 996 I have heard audibly knock on the dyno. Just take care untill you/we can test with the 5 bar in to see if it corrects the situation.
Like we talked about yesterday run the gas out and fill up with fresh 93. Hopefully it was just bad gas.
#72
12-09-2007, 11:09 AM
Hi Suman,
Two things - first, I am not positive on the 12.5, it may have been 12.1, but it was in the 12's.
Secondly, of course a custom tune is a great idea, however, I am not convinced that Elliot actually needs one...but satisfactory AFR's on a Porsche motor is not my area...I defer to the experts and considered Speed Gallery's opinion to be "expert" in nature, since they had experience with these items and work with them daily.
Two things - first, I am not positive on the 12.5, it may have been 12.1, but it was in the 12's.
Secondly, of course a custom tune is a great idea, however, I am not convinced that Elliot actually needs one...but satisfactory AFR's on a Porsche motor is not my area...I defer to the experts and considered Speed Gallery's opinion to be "expert" in nature, since they had experience with these items and work with them daily.
#73
12-09-2007, 11:16 AM
tony there was knock, really! Def hard to get these motors to knock but now imagine a really bad batch of pump gas. I dont want to. Elliot get the car tuned man. ith a richer set up in the 11's you have more leeway for bad batches of gas. Just my IMO
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Hi Elliot, did Eric have a chance to scan the dyno chart yet?
The 13.2 at torque peak did trouble me. But honestly what troubled me more was how hard it knocked at the same spot.
This is acutally the first 996 I have heard audibly knock on the dyno. Just take care untill you/we can test with the 5 bar in to see if it corrects the situation.
Like we talked about yesterday run the gas out and fill up with fresh 93. Hopefully it was just bad gas.
The 13.2 at torque peak did trouble me. But honestly what troubled me more was how hard it knocked at the same spot.
This is acutally the first 996 I have heard audibly knock on the dyno. Just take care untill you/we can test with the 5 bar in to see if it corrects the situation.
Like we talked about yesterday run the gas out and fill up with fresh 93. Hopefully it was just bad gas.
#74
12-09-2007, 11:23 AM
Suman,I am confused,was it GIAC software or FVD software?I am still trying to figure out who you are trying to bash.Either way it was the wrong software for the hardware considering the ZC turbos will make max boost sooner than the regular K24 it was intended for.You don't think any of the internal damage(what is charred exhaust chambers?) in your motor was due to installing a EBC with a booster pump and cranking the boost?You have stated many times that your car dynoed 690rwhp on the stock internals.I know for a fact that this is not how Evo or GIAC intended for the car to be run but I guess you live and learn.Still trying to figure out who you are trying to bash EVO,UMW,IAor FVD?Who sold you the hardware for the software or vice versa?