K24 vs k16/24
#18
12-26-2007, 01:29 PM
Powell, My old turbo had stock K24's w/ upgraded wg's and it seemed to perform as good if not better than garret 28's. Ask Sean about our cars before he got the fuel system from protomotive. Also keep in mind the weight differ. between Seans GT2 and my old turbo.
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12-26-2007, 01:39 PM
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#22
12-26-2007, 02:11 PM
Have you ordered anything Tweety Bird yet? I know those K24/18's are calling your name!!
#23
12-26-2007, 02:15 PM
Nothing yet. Tweety is still unmolested. Still a virgin,just like the third graders of todays world.
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12-26-2007, 02:24 PM
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What are those two options and why ... if I may ask ... 
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12-26-2007, 06:48 PM
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Kevin's software (because he's the king of turbos/programming) and Vivid's Softronic software (because I like what I heard and they have a money back guarantee).
#26
12-26-2007, 07:20 PM
I would like to know how much Stephen will charge you for a gt700 tune? You did purchase a stage from him? If you talk to Akram, he can get you the parts required for a gt 700 kit for a great price... hmmm less that 10G? He has the 600cc injectors, easy to get another 044 bosch, and fuel lines which I am certain you can asertain those with out any problems:-) He can street tune it for you :-) But I will warn you that I am not a fan of this kit
But it can be built localy and save you a ton of buckaroos!!!!! Hmm as far as Pualie is concerned, there is no way that Sean made his Hp claim! He has a stock fuel system which no way in hell it can make more than 600rwhp without chancing a fuel spike and blowing up your motor! The most I made on my stage four with all the goodies was 570 rwhp at Imagine Auto when it was being dynoed tune. I am certain Sean's car was not making near that much, the car really needed to be tuned to come close to those numbers. I am certain you have seen how much hp can be loss if you Afrs are not dialed in. I bet you a brand new quarter that his car needed to be tuned. I think you will not be happy with any turbo setup unless it is a Gt30. You will run good, but you will be spanked by many of our fellow HPDers! Call Suman at get his turbos, Stephen should work you a good deal since Suman purchased a GT800 tune but is not using it! Good luck and have a boosted new year!
Robert
But it can be built localy and save you a ton of buckaroos!!!!! Hmm as far as Pualie is concerned, there is no way that Sean made his Hp claim! He has a stock fuel system which no way in hell it can make more than 600rwhp without chancing a fuel spike and blowing up your motor! The most I made on my stage four with all the goodies was 570 rwhp at Imagine Auto when it was being dynoed tune. I am certain Sean's car was not making near that much, the car really needed to be tuned to come close to those numbers. I am certain you have seen how much hp can be loss if you Afrs are not dialed in. I bet you a brand new quarter that his car needed to be tuned. I think you will not be happy with any turbo setup unless it is a Gt30. You will run good, but you will be spanked by many of our fellow HPDers! Call Suman at get his turbos, Stephen should work you a good deal since Suman purchased a GT800 tune but is not using it! Good luck and have a boosted new year!Robert
#27
12-26-2007, 07:28 PM
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I had K16s, K24s, and ZC stage 5s... I think they were K16/26.
with that said... there is absolutely nothing wrong with K16/24 hybrids... nor are they prone to failure sooner.
with that said... there is absolutely nothing wrong with K16/24 hybrids... nor are they prone to failure sooner.
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#28
12-26-2007, 08:08 PM
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K16/24 runs fine on K24 software
K24s have noticeably more lag (even on GT2)
Less weight on the GT2 will make the car faster but will NOT reduce lag, In fact, since you go through the gears quicker, one could argue that you get MORE lag on a GT2.
If you have K16s already, look no further than 16/24 upgrade, plug in any K24 flash and enjoy
Finally, if you plan on running K24 or 16/24s you absolutely need wastegates or upgraded wastegate springs. Your car will run fine mechanically, and you can't hurt it, but will not hold consistent boost past 1.1 bar. The difference is HUGE.
I would say 16/24s are better than K24s unless you a do a LOT of high speed cruising. K24s may have slightly more power up top due to reduced backpressure, but the throttle response of the 16/24s make up for it in the midrange. If you tend to cruise under 100 MPH (which you probably do) or do a lot of city driving, get the get 16/24s.
If you think you will want more than 580-600Hp in the future, get the K24s and do the 24/18 upgrade and be ready to go.
Any questions?
K24s have noticeably more lag (even on GT2)
Less weight on the GT2 will make the car faster but will NOT reduce lag, In fact, since you go through the gears quicker, one could argue that you get MORE lag on a GT2.
If you have K16s already, look no further than 16/24 upgrade, plug in any K24 flash and enjoy
Finally, if you plan on running K24 or 16/24s you absolutely need wastegates or upgraded wastegate springs. Your car will run fine mechanically, and you can't hurt it, but will not hold consistent boost past 1.1 bar. The difference is HUGE.
I would say 16/24s are better than K24s unless you a do a LOT of high speed cruising. K24s may have slightly more power up top due to reduced backpressure, but the throttle response of the 16/24s make up for it in the midrange. If you tend to cruise under 100 MPH (which you probably do) or do a lot of city driving, get the get 16/24s.
If you think you will want more than 580-600Hp in the future, get the K24s and do the 24/18 upgrade and be ready to go.
Any questions?
Last edited by Turbo Fanatic; 12-27-2007 at 10:59 AM.
#29
12-26-2007, 10:04 PM
K16/24 runs fine on K24 software
K24s have noticeably more lag (even on GT2)
Less weight on the GT2 will make the car faster but will NOT reduce lag, In fact, since you go through the gears quicker, one could argue that you get MORE lag on a GT2.
If you have K16s already, look no further than 16/24 upgrade, plug in any K24 flash and enjoy
Finally, if you plan on running K24 or 16/24s you absolutely need wastegates or upgraded wastegate springs. Your car will run fine mechanically, and you can't hurt it, but will not hold consistent boost past 1.1 bar. The difference is HUGE.
I would say 16/24s are better than K24s unless you a do a LOT of high speed cruising. K24s may have slightly more power up top due to reduced backpressure, but the throttle response of the 16/24s make up for it in the midrange. If you tend to cruise under 100 MPH (which you probably do not) or do a lot of city driving, get the get 16/24s.
If you think you will want more than 580-600Hp in the future, get the K24s and do the 24/18 upgrade and be ready to go.
Any questions?
K24s have noticeably more lag (even on GT2)
Less weight on the GT2 will make the car faster but will NOT reduce lag, In fact, since you go through the gears quicker, one could argue that you get MORE lag on a GT2.
If you have K16s already, look no further than 16/24 upgrade, plug in any K24 flash and enjoy
Finally, if you plan on running K24 or 16/24s you absolutely need wastegates or upgraded wastegate springs. Your car will run fine mechanically, and you can't hurt it, but will not hold consistent boost past 1.1 bar. The difference is HUGE.
I would say 16/24s are better than K24s unless you a do a LOT of high speed cruising. K24s may have slightly more power up top due to reduced backpressure, but the throttle response of the 16/24s make up for it in the midrange. If you tend to cruise under 100 MPH (which you probably do not) or do a lot of city driving, get the get 16/24s.
If you think you will want more than 580-600Hp in the future, get the K24s and do the 24/18 upgrade and be ready to go.
Any questions?
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12-27-2007, 12:01 AM
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Well one of you guys needs to make up your mind already and buy these 16/24s sitting in my garage. All three of you (Chris, John and Tom) have been so close but haven't jumped. I say we start a bidding war. 
Enough of my shameless plug. To answer the question about price, a new pair of K24 turbos will generally cost more than a new pair of K16/24s. All bets are off with used prices. I've seen used hybrids sell for more than new ones and I have seen K24's given away (missed that deal unfortunately). Regarding reliability, I have never heard of a 996TT KKK turbo (OEM or hybrid) going bad. They are highly reliable. Well, I do know of one that was replaced but that was due to a cracked housing from a direct hit in a car accident, so not a failure.
Enough of my shameless plug. To answer the question about price, a new pair of K24 turbos will generally cost more than a new pair of K16/24s. All bets are off with used prices. I've seen used hybrids sell for more than new ones and I have seen K24's given away (missed that deal unfortunately). Regarding reliability, I have never heard of a 996TT KKK turbo (OEM or hybrid) going bad. They are highly reliable. Well, I do know of one that was replaced but that was due to a cracked housing from a direct hit in a car accident, so not a failure.