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Old 01-17-2008, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
ps. and no Im not taking tuners sides by siding with Jean. I have said publicly that KPG/Topgun will have the best motors to date....
C-mon Your not gonna get me on that one , two no's = yes ...tom
 
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
I'm going to take Jean's side on this one because nothing in his 2 posts were anti UWM or anti anyone else.... if anything he used 2 Euro tuner's cars as examples... he probably saw it first hand. I know Proto has had problems with R&D and some engines had to come apart at least twice.... I know that Evoms as well as Proto are/had problems with the 3.8L kits as well. I know my motor would be pushing considerably more HP had Todd known back then what he knows now. I don't see it how you guys are connecting the dots... that Jean is out to do some harm to someone online. He, of all the people is right on this one... and for those who never built a 996 or 993TT motor you guys have no idea what the builders and OWNERS go thru. just ask KPG. I will start by saying that I didn't know if my car was ever going to start when Todd called me and said that he cant get it to fire due to the different cam pick up points. Well a week later he figured it out. Maybe a build out like mine, KPG's, Jean's, TOPGUN'S,Craigs, JOE'S, ETC. is a huge undertaking and things do go wrong. I wish I could speak for others but lets come clean on our own projects before we bash someone for stating the fact.. and the fact is that this is not as easy as some think... and things do not always go as planned... and it takes a long time. Proto came thru, so did evoms, and Im sure Kevin will too if things need to be redone...
just my opinion...
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ps. and no Im not taking tuners sides by siding with Jean. I have said publicly that KPG/Topgun will have the best motors to date....
Your right, he didn't say anything to wrong this time... but he sticks his nose in nearly any UMW thread and makes a "comment", not positive, not negative... but definitely not positive... I would have bet money that he would post in that thread... he did. I should have bet.

I don't know Jean, maybe he is cool in person!

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Jean's post does not seem aimed at UMW or anyone else to me, and I don't see any passive agression either. On the other hand, SlowMotion's posts have soured this otherwise interesting thread.
 
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++3....I enjoy Jeans post, but he is passive aggressive to the utmost

Marty and Jean do make a cute couple though

Good luck Kevin...We all know you da man!
 
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Originally Posted by topgun
C-mon Your not gonna get me on that one , two no's = yes ...tom
I'm not trying to get anyone...
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Originally Posted by roadsterdoc
Jean's post does not seem aimed at UMW or anyone else to me, and I don't see any passive agression either. On the other hand, SlowMotion's posts have soured this otherwise interesting thread.
I'm certain we will see some stage IV action in the near future! It will be a good time, and it will be a more useful thread. Right now it's all speculation, and we have to endure the waiting, I'm certain it will be worth it.

I won't be sour on the next round, I promise.

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Originally Posted by roadsterdoc
Jean's post does not seem aimed at UMW or anyone else to me, and I don't see any passive agression either. On the other hand, SlowMotion's posts have soured this otherwise interesting thread.
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Originally Posted by MARKSKI
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Surely I'm not the only one that has noted Jean's I'll "agree to mostly dissagree" posts when it comes to anything UMW... the endless, "yeah, but" kinda posts.

I agree, he said nothing wrong here, but I'm certain he was about to! hehehe.

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His choice of bolding in his first post lead me to beleive he had more to say...
 
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:40 PM
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Lets be honest folks... why is this thread even here? Do we even think that Marty was actually interested in our build,and if so why not just a PM,email or a phone call...he has mine. This was public for a reason, and thats fine with me...but lets not kid ourselves about the motives
 
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Originally Posted by roadsterdoc
Jean's post does not seem aimed at UMW or anyone else to me, and I don't see any passive agression either. On the other hand, SlowMotion's posts have soured this otherwise interesting thread.
Jean is a straight shooter.Sort of like the Fox news of 6Speed...Fair and Balanced
 
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Old 01-17-2008, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by KPG
Lets be honest folks... why is this thread even here? Do we even think that Marty was actually interested in our build,and if so why not just a PM,email or a phone call...he has mine. This was public for a reason, and thats fine with me...but lets not kid ourselves about the motives
KPG,

I wouldn't worry about it. KA is going on four years next month.

I really look forward to seeing what Kevin comes up with. Our own completion is getting real close. I figure we will be somewhere north of 415 hp.
 
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by KPG
Lets be honest folks... why is this thread even here? Do we even think that Marty was actually interested in our build,and if so why not just a PM,email or a phone call...he has mine. This was public for a reason, and thats fine with me...but lets not kid ourselves about the motives
Amen brutha!!! The mere existence of this thread reflects a passive aggressive attack of UMW. Marty could have obtained the requested information through a direct phone call or PM, but he instead elected to start this public thread for the transparent purpose of embarrassing UMW -- he wanted to focus public attention on the delay associated with UMW's Stage IV kit, for the obvious purpose of embarrassing UMW. By way of analogy, if KPG was curious why we have not heard a word about Mark's car in six plus months, or if he wanted to obtain details regarding the rumored numerous problems encountered with Mark's car, he could either: (1) call Mark and ask him; (2) send Mark a PM; or (3) start a public thread so as to compel Mark to defend the problems publicly. Likewise, if Joe wanted to know why it is that Rob's car still is not finished (or why we have not heard anything about Rob's car in months), even though Rob posted back in May that his car was supposedly completed then, Joe could either: (1) call Rob and ask him; (2) send Rob a PM; or (3) start a public thread so as to compel Rob to defend the delays publicly. I suggest to you that alternatives (1) and (2) are the more appropriate course for an inquiry of this nature, and Marty should have pursued that route rather than focusing public attention on UMW and forcing them to publicly defend their methods.

That being said, I personally do not see anything offensive about Jean's posts in this thread -- he merely pointed out that high HP engine builds are fraught with complications; an observation which is arguably supportive of UMW's stated desire to proceed cautiously.

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Well said Craig.
BTW, KPg knew what's going on with my car... LOl
2 boost leaks, new turbos, over ported cracked plenum.... new oil lines... wrong gasket reordered caused a leak(on the plenum).
car is running

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