Vivid's JIC Cross Suspension Package (Pic)
#16
02-14-2008, 06:16 PM
Hi all,
I just wanted to share a picture of some of the parts I just received from Vivid Racing. I ordered the 996 Turbo Suspension package which included:
1. JIC Cross Coilover suspension
2. Agency Power Adjustable Rear Control Arms
3. Agency Power Rear Sway bar links
4. H&R 24mm rear adjustable sway bar
As you can see from the picture, the build quality and precision of these parts are apparant. Check out those camber plates! I had these installed by Doc's Grrrage in Lexington, SC and had it aligned and corner balanced by the good folks at Autometrics in Charleston, SC. They were impressed with the build quality as well.
I have yet to take possession of the car, but Autometrics set it up to the same specs as their Porsche Cup Car. I also upgraded my rotors to the Porsche GT3 Cup Rotors and Pagid Yellow pads. I am running GT2 calipers on the front and stock turbo calipers and rotors on the rears.
One controversial piece of equipment in the whole package is the front droplinks. As you can see in the picture, they are not as beefy as the rest of the components. Some 6speed members have reported breaking their front droplinks.
Dan from Vivid Racing has been very helpful during this whole process. He has reassured me that none of his customers, inlcuding himself, have had these droplinks break. Nonetheless, in 30 days, he will have available to me some new heavier duty droplinks to replace the ones above.
Thus, apparantly the fly in the ointment has finally been extracted. I can't wait for my next track day. The folks at Autometrics assured me with the new suspension and brakes, the car will perform like a whole new beast.
I will keep you guys posted!
I just wanted to share a picture of some of the parts I just received from Vivid Racing. I ordered the 996 Turbo Suspension package which included:
1. JIC Cross Coilover suspension
2. Agency Power Adjustable Rear Control Arms
3. Agency Power Rear Sway bar links
4. H&R 24mm rear adjustable sway bar
As you can see from the picture, the build quality and precision of these parts are apparant. Check out those camber plates! I had these installed by Doc's Grrrage in Lexington, SC and had it aligned and corner balanced by the good folks at Autometrics in Charleston, SC. They were impressed with the build quality as well.
I have yet to take possession of the car, but Autometrics set it up to the same specs as their Porsche Cup Car. I also upgraded my rotors to the Porsche GT3 Cup Rotors and Pagid Yellow pads. I am running GT2 calipers on the front and stock turbo calipers and rotors on the rears.
One controversial piece of equipment in the whole package is the front droplinks. As you can see in the picture, they are not as beefy as the rest of the components. Some 6speed members have reported breaking their front droplinks.
Dan from Vivid Racing has been very helpful during this whole process. He has reassured me that none of his customers, inlcuding himself, have had these droplinks break. Nonetheless, in 30 days, he will have available to me some new heavier duty droplinks to replace the ones above.
Thus, apparantly the fly in the ointment has finally been extracted. I can't wait for my next track day. The folks at Autometrics assured me with the new suspension and brakes, the car will perform like a whole new beast.
I will keep you guys posted!
Drives fine on the street as well (even if it is just to and from the track it is 200miles at a time)
Nice choice.
#18
02-14-2008, 07:10 PM
Look at the suspension setup under the GT2 'RSR' conversion thread.
He has 997 RSR uprights with custom A-arm links, toe links, RSR subframe, JRZ race shocks, 2 piece rear control arms, etc.
That's what you call a serious suspension. The JIC/Cross stuff is nice and cost-effective, but it's amateur stuff compared to that level. Prices are also different as well, as it's probably over 10 times the cost to put in all those Porsche Motorsport and ERP components.
However Mark, if you want handling to match your power, it's the only way to go... however, the suspension alone with labor and proper setup will probably cost you at least half or more of what you spent on your Proto stuff. Real RSR box uprights are over $30K, parts only.
He has 997 RSR uprights with custom A-arm links, toe links, RSR subframe, JRZ race shocks, 2 piece rear control arms, etc.
That's what you call a serious suspension. The JIC/Cross stuff is nice and cost-effective, but it's amateur stuff compared to that level. Prices are also different as well, as it's probably over 10 times the cost to put in all those Porsche Motorsport and ERP components.
However Mark, if you want handling to match your power, it's the only way to go... however, the suspension alone with labor and proper setup will probably cost you at least half or more of what you spent on your Proto stuff. Real RSR box uprights are over $30K, parts only.
#21
02-15-2008, 12:44 AM
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However Mark, if you want handling to match your power, it's the only way to go... however, the suspension alone with labor and proper setup will probably cost you at least half or more of what you spent on your Proto stuff. Real RSR box uprights are over $30K, parts only.
mark
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#22
02-15-2008, 06:08 AM
I have the 8/12 setup with GT3 sway bars front and rear. I also am using beefier drop links in the front. Also dropped the car about 3/4-1 inch so it sits very nicely but not too aggressive for the street (stay away from bottoming out with the front lip). More aggressive alignment as well.
net-net, the car is really dialed in on the track, especially running with MPSC's...like night and day as they say. On the street, it is pretty stiff even with the dampeners on softest setting and they do make some noise when you go over certain types of bumps. I don't do too many miles on the street so can live with it but do drive the car to track events. (My wife doesn't like riding in it for too long now due to the ride and the exahust!)
Hope you like the setup!
net-net, the car is really dialed in on the track, especially running with MPSC's...like night and day as they say. On the street, it is pretty stiff even with the dampeners on softest setting and they do make some noise when you go over certain types of bumps. I don't do too many miles on the street so can live with it but do drive the car to track events. (My wife doesn't like riding in it for too long now due to the ride and the exahust!)
Hope you like the setup!
#23
02-15-2008, 06:27 AM
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Columbia,SC
Posts: 457
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Got the Car Back!
Okay guys...got the car back. "WoW" is all I can say. It is a tremendous improvement over the H&R lowering springs I was running. On the way back home from work yesterday, I got a taste of what it could do on the on ramps and off ramps. It truly is like a whole new car in terms of handling.
As far as ride comfort goes...not bad at all. I had my 19" Champions with MPSC. The front JIC's were set to 5 clicks from firmest. The ride on the highway was fine. On bumpy roads, well...you could feel all the bumps. But hey, who likes to drive their Porsche on bumpy roads, anyway?
As far as any type of "twitchiness"....I now Know what he means...and it wasn't what I had thought it was. By that I mean, the car drives great in a straight line since it was professionally aligned and corner balanced (to include my body weight in the drivers seat). I was afraid that at high speeds I would have a hard time keeping it straight. NOT the case at all, I could take my hands off the steering wheel on a straight Interstate for 10-15 secs. going 80mph and the car tracked straight.
The "twitchiness" he was referring to is how sharply the car will steer, even at high speeds. Now when I'm driving fast, even slight turns of the wheel sends the car darting in the new direction. Albeit under well control.
So far, I am extremely pleased with this setup and the work done by Doc's Grrrage and Autometrics. Next friday I will run this car at Carolina Motorsports Park along with my new GT3 Cup Rotors and Pagid Yellows (on GT2 calipers). I will keep you all posted how it goes.
Later on, I will also post the official spec sheet from Autometrics which shows all the alignment specs as well as corner weights.
As far as ride comfort goes...not bad at all. I had my 19" Champions with MPSC. The front JIC's were set to 5 clicks from firmest. The ride on the highway was fine. On bumpy roads, well...you could feel all the bumps. But hey, who likes to drive their Porsche on bumpy roads, anyway?
As far as any type of "twitchiness"....I now Know what he means...and it wasn't what I had thought it was. By that I mean, the car drives great in a straight line since it was professionally aligned and corner balanced (to include my body weight in the drivers seat). I was afraid that at high speeds I would have a hard time keeping it straight. NOT the case at all, I could take my hands off the steering wheel on a straight Interstate for 10-15 secs. going 80mph and the car tracked straight.
The "twitchiness" he was referring to is how sharply the car will steer, even at high speeds. Now when I'm driving fast, even slight turns of the wheel sends the car darting in the new direction. Albeit under well control.
So far, I am extremely pleased with this setup and the work done by Doc's Grrrage and Autometrics. Next friday I will run this car at Carolina Motorsports Park along with my new GT3 Cup Rotors and Pagid Yellows (on GT2 calipers). I will keep you all posted how it goes.
Later on, I will also post the official spec sheet from Autometrics which shows all the alignment specs as well as corner weights.
#24
02-15-2008, 04:42 PM
Looks like a nice set-up. Personally, i would like to see adjustable end links on the rear swaybar, espesially since the bar is adjustable and the car is on coilovers. The same for the front actually, you need to be able to get rid of any pre-load on the bars, otherwise the set-up you just did will be thrown off a bit.
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02-15-2008, 05:42 PM
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#28
02-15-2008, 08:05 PM
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Rep Power: 121 Looks like a nice set-up. Personally, i would like to see adjustable end links on the rear swaybar, espesially since the bar is adjustable and the car is on coilovers. The same for the front actually, you need to be able to get rid of any pre-load on the bars, otherwise the set-up you just did will be thrown off a bit.
Thank you for the suggestions. Could you recommend any specific parts? Also, would I need to have the car corner balanced and aligned again? Thanks
Dan
#29
02-16-2008, 05:41 PM
Looks like a nice set-up. Personally, i would like to see adjustable end links on the rear swaybar, espesially since the bar is adjustable and the car is on coilovers. The same for the front actually, you need to be able to get rid of any pre-load on the bars, otherwise the set-up you just did will be thrown off a bit.
#30
02-16-2008, 06:04 PM
Sure:
GT3 front a-arms and brake guides. GT3 Cup rear lower control arms and GT3 rear brake ducts guides. GT3 rear subframe solid bushings. Rear TRG toe link with OEM front turbo tie rods. OEM 993RS engine mounts.
The GT3 front a-arms allow more camber adjust with the correct caster placement of trailing arms. OEM GT3 rear subframe bushings reduce movement of rear suspension and they are much cheaper than any aftermarket offerings. Rear GT3 Cup control arms allow more camber adjust, has solid inner bushings and trailing arm bushings. I choose TRG rear toe links for the build quality, they are needed because of the extra adjustability of rear toe. They also eliminate needing to adjust toe with the OEM eccentrics which is a joke. And finally, 993RS rear engine mounts. The 996 turbo powertrain is very heavy, we have found when tracked...the stock engine mounts would allow excessive movement causing the rear move. When we tried the 993RS mounts, it made a huge difference.
GT3 front a-arms and brake guides. GT3 Cup rear lower control arms and GT3 rear brake ducts guides. GT3 rear subframe solid bushings. Rear TRG toe link with OEM front turbo tie rods. OEM 993RS engine mounts.
The GT3 front a-arms allow more camber adjust with the correct caster placement of trailing arms. OEM GT3 rear subframe bushings reduce movement of rear suspension and they are much cheaper than any aftermarket offerings. Rear GT3 Cup control arms allow more camber adjust, has solid inner bushings and trailing arm bushings. I choose TRG rear toe links for the build quality, they are needed because of the extra adjustability of rear toe. They also eliminate needing to adjust toe with the OEM eccentrics which is a joke. And finally, 993RS rear engine mounts. The 996 turbo powertrain is very heavy, we have found when tracked...the stock engine mounts would allow excessive movement causing the rear move. When we tried the 993RS mounts, it made a huge difference.
Last edited by Robert@Redline; 02-16-2008 at 09:49 PM.