KeithTA Protomotive 997 vs. Chris Green USP 996
#61
08-04-2008, 02:51 PM
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Keith,
I run up to a peak (on the Greddy) of 1.44 bar. I run exclusively MS109 unleaded from
VP Racing fuels. I have the extra fuel pump on my car and Todd's complete fuel system.
I understand that the 997TT has an amazing stock fuel system but I do not know how high you can run safely. I actually ran my highest boost ever at the TX Mile which was by far the hardest longest run on my car. I turn the boost down at Road Courses so that it peaks under 1.3 bar (I target a peak of 1.25 to 1.29). Using consistent fuel
(in my case, I buy sealed drums direct from VP local distributor), and I watch the peak boost every time I go out. In Minnesota, we have huge daily swings in temp, (ex. it may
be 64 degrees early in the am and 94 later in the day). I just know from what Todd told me that your car should beat that other car (which should be "similar" to my car).
I also know that anyone that has run a 10 second quarter, or a fast 60-130 (say sub 6.5 second), has run MORE than peak boost of 1.3 bar, and has run on 18" or 17" !!!!!!!!! drag radials. I may have the quickest/fastest quarter mile run on 19" (11.03 at 134.5 mph).
I also would "guesstimate that
Chris (who's car is very well "optimized") HAS to be running more than 1.3 PEAK and is running race gas.
My car is stock internals and 50,000 miles, 20,000 really hard ones.
Good luck,
MK
I run up to a peak (on the Greddy) of 1.44 bar. I run exclusively MS109 unleaded from
VP Racing fuels. I have the extra fuel pump on my car and Todd's complete fuel system.
I understand that the 997TT has an amazing stock fuel system but I do not know how high you can run safely. I actually ran my highest boost ever at the TX Mile which was by far the hardest longest run on my car. I turn the boost down at Road Courses so that it peaks under 1.3 bar (I target a peak of 1.25 to 1.29). Using consistent fuel
(in my case, I buy sealed drums direct from VP local distributor), and I watch the peak boost every time I go out. In Minnesota, we have huge daily swings in temp, (ex. it may
be 64 degrees early in the am and 94 later in the day). I just know from what Todd told me that your car should beat that other car (which should be "similar" to my car).
I also know that anyone that has run a 10 second quarter, or a fast 60-130 (say sub 6.5 second), has run MORE than peak boost of 1.3 bar, and has run on 18" or 17" !!!!!!!!! drag radials. I may have the quickest/fastest quarter mile run on 19" (11.03 at 134.5 mph).
I also would "guesstimate that
Chris (who's car is very well "optimized") HAS to be running more than 1.3 PEAK and is running race gas.
My car is stock internals and 50,000 miles, 20,000 really hard ones.
Good luck,
MK
when keith ran his car at the track he traped 134.XX.
I was thinking I was around 133-135, I am taking the car to the track on wed and looking to take out that 11.03 on my 19's with street tires.
by the way my car can not run more then 1.35 bar untill tony re tunes it.
the same way I raced keith the other night is 100% the same way its going to the track.
Chris Green
#63
08-04-2008, 06:07 PM
That's awfully low for GT30's.
I trapped 136 in my car when it was a PE700 with K24/18Gs on stock internals..and I was only making around 580 rwhp at 1.3 BAR.
He has to have a boost leak somewhere.
I trapped 136 in my car when it was a PE700 with K24/18Gs on stock internals..and I was only making around 580 rwhp at 1.3 BAR.
He has to have a boost leak somewhere.
#64
08-04-2008, 06:32 PM
And again PEAK HP DOES NOT MEAN A THING! I don't know why nobody, but a few, get that. My brothers 530rwhp Corvette has beat up on MANY 600-700rwhp cars. Hell hes lost by 2 or less cars that make close to 750-800rwhp. My brothers car on n2o only makes 8xxrwhp, and I know it would handle ANY 996 TT Porsche on this forum. Considering it ran a 10.1 @ 144mph blowing the clutch up during midway through 2nd. With a better 60ft it would have gone 9s without a fully engaging clutch in high gears. I know its hard to believe that a car with less HP can beat a higher HP car, but you've got to look at power all the way across the graph, not just what it peaks out at.
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08-04-2008, 06:35 PM
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Spoke to Chris and am planning on bringing my car to his shop sometime this week to run a pressure test and go through the diverter valves, turbo piping boost hoses, etc. Well see what turns up.
Keith
Keith
#66
08-04-2008, 06:36 PM
Bro, my car was only 70 lbs lighter. My car is currently essentially full weight other than RWD conversion and GT3 seats. And back then...I wasn't running GT3 seats. I was running the heavy power/heated/full leather seats...plus heavy-*** HRE bling wheels.
My weather conditions were definitely better than yours (it was 80 degrees when I ran my run)...but my car is not all that light.
My weather conditions were definitely better than yours (it was 80 degrees when I ran my run)...but my car is not all that light.
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#67
08-04-2008, 06:39 PM
Bro, my car was only 70 lbs lighter. My car is currently essentially full weight other than RWD conversion and GT3 seats. And back then...I wasn't running GT3 seats. I was running the heavy power/heated/full leather seats...plus heavy-*** HRE bling wheels.
My weather conditions were definitely better than yours...but I wasn't much lighter at all.
My weather conditions were definitely better than yours...but I wasn't much lighter at all.
You going to be here at the TX Mile?
#68
08-04-2008, 06:50 PM
LOL...I WISH it saved that much weight. RWD conversion only saves 71 lbs. Here's the breakdown:
Front differential 52.0 lbs
Driveshaft 6 lbs, 10 oz.
Half shafts 12 lbs. 2 oz. the pair.
Total = 71.0 lbs.
You going to be here at the TX Mile?
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08-04-2008, 07:48 PM
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Rep Power: 58 What was the ET/Weight with that 136 run? I'll be honest that sounds like a lot of mph for only 580rwhp, I find it hard to believe my car is going to turn more then 135-136 if it does I will be shocked.
did you shift 5th on that pass?
Chris Green
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08-04-2008, 07:59 PM
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08-05-2008, 05:16 AM
With K24/18Gs, I ran 10.65 @ 136 with a slow 1.8x 60'. Weight was around 3,600 lbs or so with me in the car. The car made 560 rwhp on a dyno-dynamics and 600 rwhp on a dynojet (which I believe to be optimistic), both on much cooler days a few weeks prior. I split the difference between the two dynos and call it 580 rwhp. I was running the same 1.3 BAR on 103 octane on the dynos and at the track. I don't believe I was shifting into 4th back then. My redline was at 7,400 rpm.
Later, with GT30's, I trapped 148 mph and was shifting into 5th. I also ran a best 60-130 time of 4.90 but normally averaged in the 5.2-5.3 range.
I haven't been to the track with my GT35's yet. But I have run 4.67 60-130 and average in the high 4's.
Anyway, no K24/18G car would have ever had a chance in hell against my car when I was running GT30s....which is why I believe Keith's car has a boost leak and/or other issues.
But your car is definitely running extremely well, bro...that's for sure. Its a very fast car!
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#74
08-05-2008, 08:54 AM
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Rep Power: 58 Chris,
With K24/18Gs, I ran 10.65 @ 136 with a slow 1.8x 60'. Weight was around 3,600 lbs or so with me in the car. The car made 560 rwhp on a dyno-dynamics and 600 rwhp on a dynojet (which I believe to be optimistic), both on much cooler days a few weeks prior. I split the difference between the two dynos and call it 580 rwhp. I was running the same 1.3 BAR on 103 octane on the dynos and at the track. I don't believe I was shifting into 4th back then. My redline was at 7,400 rpm.
Later, with GT30's, I trapped 148 mph and was shifting into 5th. I also ran a best 60-130 time of 4.90 but normally averaged in the 5.2-5.3 range.
I haven't been to the track with my GT35's yet. But I have run 4.67 60-130 and average in the high 4's.
Anyway, no K24/18G car would have ever had a chance in hell against my car when I was running GT30s....which is why I believe Keith's car has a boost leak and/or other issues.
But your car is definitely running extremely well, bro...that's for sure. Its a very fast car!
With K24/18Gs, I ran 10.65 @ 136 with a slow 1.8x 60'. Weight was around 3,600 lbs or so with me in the car. The car made 560 rwhp on a dyno-dynamics and 600 rwhp on a dynojet (which I believe to be optimistic), both on much cooler days a few weeks prior. I split the difference between the two dynos and call it 580 rwhp. I was running the same 1.3 BAR on 103 octane on the dynos and at the track. I don't believe I was shifting into 4th back then. My redline was at 7,400 rpm.
Later, with GT30's, I trapped 148 mph and was shifting into 5th. I also ran a best 60-130 time of 4.90 but normally averaged in the 5.2-5.3 range.
I haven't been to the track with my GT35's yet. But I have run 4.67 60-130 and average in the high 4's.
Anyway, no K24/18G car would have ever had a chance in hell against my car when I was running GT30s....which is why I believe Keith's car has a boost leak and/or other issues.
But your car is definitely running extremely well, bro...that's for sure. Its a very fast car!
looks like I have my work cut out for me with that 10.65. I am leaving it AWD for the first half of the night at the track if I dont run good I will try pulling the shaft at the track.
Chris Green
#75
08-05-2008, 08:59 AM
Dude who cares how you do on the 1/4 mile.... you beat down a gt30 997tt on the street on video LOL! Wish Mike my best I want to see that evo go 8's. And dont pull your AWD that car is designed for AWD its no gt2. You will kill it on the track AWD cause you got an EPL tune.
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