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Old 08-18-2008 | 03:13 PM
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UPDATE: PPI done. Need recommendation/advice: Get PPI from dealership or indy shop

I'm looking to get a PPI done (around the SF area) and the seller was planning on taking it back to the porsche dealership (Rector) where he bought the car and got serviced to get a PPI done. I also found a shop (S Car Go) through a local referral that said was a good shop. The "basic" PPI at the dealer was quoted to me for around $200 and the PPI at S car go was between $260 and $350.

Which one would you pick for a more thorough unbiased PPI? S car go said they would do a compression test (among other things) as well as have the machine to read the over-revs. Any recommendations? I'm in Houston so I haven't heard of S Car Go so if anyone can shed any opinions on them and their work, I'd appreciate it. Thanks

Just a quick update: I got a PPI done at the dealer and two potential issues came up. One is a OBD fault code P0234 (overboost). Fortunately the car has an extended warranty and is getting fixed. Second issue is that there are "16" type 2 overrevs. I spoke with a good buddy who works at the local Porsche dealership and he said although it's not good, I won't know the extent of the damage. What do you guys/gals think? Is 16 type 2 overrevs something I should thwart me from buying the car?

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Rob at S-Car-Go is expensive but he has been around these cars a long, long time.

My headers and fuel lines/rails were built by Rob.

What car are you looking at, Edwin. I can help you (I am also in Houston).
 
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Old 08-18-2008 | 03:23 PM
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Rob at S-Car-Go is expensive but he has been around these cars a long, long time.

My headers and fuel lines/rails were built by Rob.

What car are you looking at, Edwin. I can help you (I am also in Houston).
Thanks for the input. I guess based on your response, you'd opt for Rob over the local Pcar dealership?

Thanks for the offer to help. I'll need all the help/advice in terms of mods once I get the car (hopefully soon)

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Just a quick update: I got a PPI done at the dealer and two potential issues came up. One is a OBD fault code P0234 (overboost). Fortunately the car has an extended warranty and is getting fixed. Second issue is that there are "16" type 2 overrevs. I spoke with a good buddy who works at the local Porsche dealership and he said although it's not good, I won't know the extent of the damage. What do you guys/gals think? Is 16 type 2 overrevs something I should thwart me from buying the car?

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Just a quick update: I got a PPI done at the dealer and two potential issues came up. One is a OBD fault code P0234 (overboost). Fortunately the car has an extended warranty and is getting fixed. Second issue is that there are "16" type 2 overrevs. I spoke with a good buddy who works at the local Porsche dealership and he said although it's not good, I won't know the extent of the damage. What do you guys/gals think? Is 16 type 2 overrevs something I should thwart me from buying the car?

Edwin
Dealer didn't do compression??

WHEN were the over-revs?? The over revs also have an "operating hours" value which, when you subtract that from the total hours will tell you how long ago it was.

If it was some time ago, you are probably OK.

Is it a Porsche warranty? Ask the dealer to put in writing whether or not they believe the T2 overrevs represent 'abuse'. Also have a discussion with the service MANAGER at YOUR dealership. I am nervous with Porsche warranties since PCNA can override anyone in the future- AND they really look for reasons to bail.

In and of itself, 16 T2s 1000+ miles (25 hours) ago is likely OK.

You really should NEVER have the dealer who has sold and serviced the car- and will likely sell and service the sellers NEW CAR- do the PPI. They are always conflicted! The reason they are cheaper is that they down do as thorough a job, IMHO

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Dealer didn't do compression??

WHEN were the over-revs?? The over revs also have an "operating hours" value which, when you subtract that from the total hours will tell you how long ago it was.

If it was some time ago, you are probably OK.

Is it a Porsche warranty? Ask the dealer to put in writing whether or not they believe the T2 overrevs represent 'abuse'. Also have a discussion with the service MANAGER at YOUR dealership. I am nervous with Porsche warranties since PCNA can override anyone in the future- AND they really look for reasons to bail.

In and of itself, 16 T2s 1000+ miles (25 hours) ago is likely OK.

You really should NEVER have the dealer who has sold and serviced the car- and will likely sell and service the sellers NEW CAR- do the PPI. They are always conflicted! The reason they are cheaper is that they down do as thorough a job, IMHO

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No they didn't do a compression test. The service guy said if they felt it was necessary, they would do it but I guess they didn't think it was. The warranty is an aftermarket warranty that the dealership sold him. It seems pretty comprehensive on it's coverage.


This is what the report says in terms of the type 1 and type 2 revs

Number of igntions, range 1

6483 773.5 h

Number of ignitions, range 2

16 705.6 h

Operating hours counter

777.2


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That just means the type 2 over revs were done about 72 hours ago....
Honestly, I would just walk away. The market for these cars are huge right now and I'm sure you can find one without any over-revs
 
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Let me know when you get it...we have a huge car scene here in Houston.
Edwin goes ***** out Sean. He will have an insane turbo no doubt.
 
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That just means the type 2 over revs were done about 72 hours ago....
Honestly, I would just walk away. The market for these cars are huge right now and I'm sure you can find one without any over-revs
I just talked to the head of the service department at the dealership where the PPI was done. I would like to get your opinion... he said that the 16 ingition rev2's is not that bad b/c yes, someone prob downshifted and let the clutch go too fast and it did pass into the redline (say redline is 7k) but only for a split second (7100 rpm) and it came back down. 16 ignitions happen so fast that it won't do any damage. He went on and said that if it went into the 8k+ range, the type 2 overrevs would be way more than 16. He says he sees it all the time and it's no big deal.

What do you guys/gals think? Make sense or is he selling me some story?

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So the last type 2 was 72 hours ago, or say 2000-3000 miles.

People have reported type2s with non-blown-downshift events, although the porsche dogma is that that is the only way it can happen... In my research here there are many type 2s with zero problems that have been reported.

I'd say the motor is fine, and since it is an aftermarket warranty they may not be picky, indeed they may not even know about it.

And if you'll be modding the car, no worries about the warranty anyway!

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