Oak,

you are ad nauseum again!!! No way a world class tech like Regis would let you do that to your car!!!!!

Wilbur,
do you believe your car is as reliable as Ruf??? i know you put gemballa kit on yo Cayenne!!!!! and burberry... kidding.

 

I piece mealed all the Gemb parts from eBay! I couldn't resist!

Just kidding! You guys know me too well.

 

Oak,

i saw Regis driving this car down Rodeo Drive picking up chicks!!!
This is alot more fun than ad nauseum on Rlist...

 

No secrets, but do you know why we make more TQ???

 

Too funny... that there is the Gemballa GTR750, its "little brother" the GTR600 is the fastest street legal Porsche to EVER lap nurburgring (until the Carrera GT does its official times there), you could say its ugly (which I think is is) but its ALL GO my friend, you have the posing thing backwards.

Personally I think the difference b/w european and US Porsche tunners is that in the US, were you can't street/highway race like if you would be in a closed track and rather only have oportunity for drag-racing and short burst of acceleration in the streets, tunners are more focused in overall power output/performance and acceleration figures, yielding such "beasts". And in the twisty roads of Europe and high-speed highways, the the european tunners are more concerned with tight track performance and handling (suspension setups, power delivery, aerodinamic high-speed stability, etc). You can get a perfectly balanced R Turbo designed from the bottom up with "just" over 500HP or you can get a stage V TT beast... you choice, neither are posers if the do the job they are designed to do right. Its like comparing a TTX50 with a GT3.

 

Todd,

At one time, about six months ago, your group had one dyno sheet that did in fact make 589 rear wheel torque. It was a sharp blip on the chart. It believe another run very close to that run produced approx. 569 rear wheel torque. My car's average torque at the time was higher. I do have to admit you were very close. Since that time I believe my numbers have exceed the numbers you have posted. You have claimed the Stage V produces approx. 700 hp or 595 rwhp. What are you claiming for rear wheel torque?

I look forward to seeing both these exceptional cars on the same dyno, same day.

 

Actually your HP was. Your Tq was only slighly down. As seen here posted by your own numbers at the time.
Chad HP 429.83 TQ 451.312
Stephen HP 394.53 TQ451.825

Of course that is a moot point as you have moved on. This is when you were putting 600 RWHP down. I think it was 598, close enough. Don't worry about the next round....We wouldn't let you down

 

Carlos -- well said as usual. i have contemplated Ruf 550 package for the gt2, altho' it;s really not needed. if you were going more aggressive than ruf, which tuner would you use [for TT's]?
and do you have an opinion on manthey racing?

 

Watt, tunning the GT2... you are nuts

On the question about most agressive tunners I would have to say Gemballa and Techart, they are ussually are the ones that set the fastests lap times and records for street legal versions in the tunner competitions/prix, but ussually Gemballa is generally one step ahead, they still hold the ring's record and just blew last years Techart's Hockenheim's record at the 2003 tunners prix with a lap time of 1:07,9... now thats radical. But I would also check RS-Tunning they have a very fast GT2 and powerkits up to 620HP or so for GT2 and TT's but I don't know about the company, Manthey likewise. I know Gemballa, Techart, Strosec and Ruf especially are the most reputable.

BTW what does the 550 Ruf pack have? I haven't heard about it. I remmeber you were looking to improve high-speed stability more also?

 

i have no plans to tune the gt2, it is nuts. ruf pack is turbos, brain and ? i'll see if i can find their lit. but if i got more serious with the open road racing i'd probably tune a TT. thanks for the tuner info. i will ask for more help if that project happens

my car was hunting above 145, so andial tried lots of toe out [.08 degrees they said] which seemed to work for a while then when we checked the toe on a hunter machine, it was .22 degrees toe out each side!!! like Siamese twins headed in different directions.

andial said i had 0 LF and -.12 degrees RF when they got the car. while i do not think andials machinery is accurate, that differential may have been my original problem. i'm at .08 toe out now and will try 0 soon for 150 and above.... i have to leave LA and drive 100 miles to run over 150 w/o police issues...

 

Carlos:

FYI, since you are in Europe you should get to know Manthey Racing. All the 'ringers know them well. There is no way you can compare Ruf, TechArt or Gemballa to them. The 996GT-MR from Manthey is a full out race car and will run circles around any "tuner" car. Unlike the others, they are a very successful race team. For instance, their 996GT-MR placed 4th overall in the 24h Nurburgring.

The Ruf 550 package is the R Turbo conversion utilizing the K24 instead of K16 turbos. Regarding the R Turbo, it is set up more for the Autobahn than it is for twisty roads. Also Alois Ruf is the first to admit that all of his cars are setup for the street, not the track.

According to most Euros who visit here, we have just as many twisty roads here in California as you do out there.

The problem with the Gemballa GTR750 Evo is that it's not really a streetable package. If I wanted to run the Nurburgring as fast as possible for one day, I would setup my car differently. I'll bet you anything that the GTR750 motor will not even last 10,000 miles under hard use. It is a one-off car that was designed to showcase Gemballa's products, even though they don't do any of their own tuning. Before it was Lotec engineering who did their ****ty setups, and now its TTP.

As far as TechArt is concerned, we will really see how great their GTS is in our upcoming Shootout. I will be royally pissed if my car doesn't **** all over that car. I don't think it even has a remote chance against CJV's car either. I will also let you know in the near future how my car would stack up against a Ruf Turbo. Ruf cars are very, very nice but I do not believe it is as extreme as what I am running.

Perhaps after the Shootout, you will have an appreciation for American tuners after we whoop some ***.

 

tyson,
speak softly and carry a big stick!!!

the manthey you describe isnt a street package either, eh? and Regis loves gemballa.

and i'm still waiting for wilbur on reliability of your package...

 

Hamann,

- I'm familiar with Manthey in racing but not as a tunner which is what Watt was asking about. Tuned street cars not race cars. But if you have any info on Manthey Racing GMBh tunner products and their perfromance compared to the others please share.

- Yep, the Malibu cayons are fantastic unfortunately its more the exception that confirms the rule. Take your pick over here, the swiss Stelvio Pass, the Pirenees, French cote de Azur coastal line, Northern Italy, German highways... and lets not forget the general traffic/drivers and speed enforcement issues.

- Gemballa EVO750? The Gemballa 650 is the one I'm talking about, that the one that sets the records.

- The techart GTS, I would like to know too how it performs, keep us posted. But one question, how exactly are they going to be compared? bench racing or track racing? cause I only care about the second.

 

Carlos,

Actually AMS had a showdown between Manthey, TechArt GT Street, 9FF, and EDO.

Here are some specs from the Autobild Magazine test in Germany:

Techart:
530 bhp at 6700rpm
740 NM of Torque at 4600rpm

9ff:
588 bhp at 6570 rpm
763 NM at 4450 rpm

Edo:
530 bhp at 5080 rpm
755 NM at 4580 rpm

Manthey:
550 bhp at 6800 rpm
700 NM at 5600 rpm

OK, now look at the actual performance numbers:

Top Speed 317 km/h 313 km/h 317 km/h 346 km/h

Acceleration TechArt 9ff Edo Manthey
0-100 km/h 4,1 s 4,1 s 4,1 s 3,8 s
0-130 km/h 6,2 s 6,1 s 6,2 s 4,9 s
0-160 km/h 8,2 s 8,0 s 8,3 s 6,6 s
0-200 km/h 12,2 s 12,2 s 12,7 s 9,3 s

AUTOBILD test&tuning-Spurt
100-200 km/h 8,1 s 8,1 s 8,6 s 5,5 s

Elastizität
60-100 km/h in 4th Gear 3,8 s 4,0 s 3,5 s 3,7 s
80-120 km/h in 5th Gear 4,4 s 4,6 s 3,9 s 4,3 s
80-120 km/h in 6th Gear 6,6 s 7,2 s 5,9 s 6,1 s

Braking
100-0 km/h (cold) 36,1 m 37,3 m 36,8 m 35,5 m
100-0 km/h (warm) 35,5 m 36,2 m 36,3 m 35,1 m

Verbrauch auf 100 km
minimal/maximal 11,8 l/23,8 l 10,8 l/24,0 l 10,7 l/26,3 l 12,8 l/31,7 l
Durchschnitt/Reichweite 16,3 l/390 km 15,8 l/410 km 16,6 l/390 km 19,9 l/320 km

As you can see the Manthey-car is so much faster than the other cars but it´s also much more expensive. The total-price is EUR 268180. Only the engine-tuning costs EUR 51855.

Simply no comparison...

Their 'milder' street conversion is 520bhp but they can build you up to 700ps with a very nice and flat power curve!

In regards to our roads, there are plenty of them, you just have to know where to look. The Malibu canyon roads are the best, but you also have Highway 1 all the way to Northern California, Angeles Crest Highway, the roads near Ojai, Mt. Palomar, etc. That is just in California. Go to Colorado and Nevada and you will find other great roads. I don't think you have explored the vast US enough...

You are right about the traffic enforcement issues and the incompetence of most drivers out here.

FYI, the current record holder is the Gemball GTR750EVO, the previous record holder was the GTR600. But remember that before them, the Roock 580R held the record. And we all know what a great tuner Roock is, right? The problem for US tuners is one of logistics. I wish the US guys would ship their cars to Germany for the Tuner Grand Prix, but it really is a hassle, especially if something should break or need last minute readjustment.

As far as how we will compare with the TechArt GT Street, we will be shooting out at Thunder Hill Raceway. The test will be conducted by Excellence Magazine, the cars will be driven by Dave Coleman. The tests will be 1/4 mile, dyno, and lap time around the track. No bench racing bull**** here!!!

Believe me, if it were up to me, I would drive my own car, win or lose!

 

Stephen,

At the time of those figures my car was putting down maximum 581 rwt to your maximum 589 rwt. From there we went to 598 rwt without the CO2 or N20. You know where I am as of today.

The question is have you dyno'ed the Stage V and if so where is the rwhp and rwt.