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Old 09-04-2004 | 10:41 PM
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Cargraphics exhaust is the best for a TT by far

Since i bought my car i have tried several exhaust systems seeking the right mixture of sound and performance.

The first was the Tech-art:
poor performance
terrible resonance

The second was FVD without cats:
average performance
poor sound

The third was Tubi with 200 cell cats:
terrible performance
fantastic sound

The fourth and present is the Cargraphics loud with 100 cell cats:
fantastic performance
fantastic sound
very little resonance

If any one is interested in more info or price PM me.
 

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Old 09-04-2004 | 11:03 PM
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can you upload a sound clip?
 
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Old 09-04-2004 | 11:08 PM
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I will post a sound clip in a couple of days , my car is put way until after the hurricaine goes by.
 
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Old 09-04-2004 | 11:28 PM
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Thanks Xico for helping my decide - please post a clip when you can and be safe
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 01:18 AM
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interesting. I heard the opposite about techart. not to thread-jack, but after you post your clip maybe you can tell me more about that experience. I was going to go all out on their GT Street direct from the company in early spring... would love to hear more.
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 03:24 AM
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Is pheonix CG different than the CG USA ? Are your inputs on the performances based on Dyno's or your impressions? I am fairly new and don't have much experience on the technical info on these, but I just installed RUF exhaust on mine knowing that it only adds 10-12HP per their data but it sure does increase the throttle response significantly (and would have to say it increases performance) and the sound is just perfect to my taste as well as no resonance to speak of!! Unless it is based on dyno results, I would have a very difficult time stating any aftermarket performance exhaust to perform "poorly" TC
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 04:59 AM
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i saw the Tubi make 4hp less than stock to my surprise. The other's (tech-art , FVD ) don,t make any significant HP if any. On the other hand the Cargraphics makes power you can feel instantly (i am told 27HP) but will dyno next week to know for sure.
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by xico
The other's (tech-art , FVD ) don,t make any significant HP if any.
Our exhaust makes a proven 25-30HP. If you would like me to send you a dyno sheet from an idenpendent dyno I would be glad to. It shows a STOCK X50 Turbo making 29HP with just our exhaust with 100cell cats.... With no-cats it makes 2 more...
If you want to judge the sound thats fine because its personal, but don't post about performance when you have never dynoed any of your exhausts...
Once again stop posting about things you don't know,
Evan
PS-I like the Cargraphic exhaust as well, sounds great, just setting the facts straight about ours....
 

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Old 09-05-2004 | 06:41 AM
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Better than an independent so called dyno , why don't you bring your car to Champion Motorsports next week and at my expense find out what the truth is about your FVD exhaust. I can say whatever i want, i paid for my mods with my money , not yours , therefore i don't recall having to ask you for permission to give my opinion. By the way according to Orli the 468rwhp of your FVD level 2 is bull**** because he never witnessed it , why don't you bring one level 2 as well and we will dyno it, i have learned that when it comes to Hp claims if i don't see it, i don't beleive it. According to Roger's dyno the best RWHP of your level 4 is about 468 , ( in mycar it was 430 because of the leaks) therefore i find hard to beleive your claim on your level 2.
Guys , why don't you ask Evans to post the movie of the dyno run of my car with the level 4 FVD and k24/26 turbos to prove my point.
 

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Old 09-05-2004 | 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by xico
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Better than an independent so called dyno , why don't you bring your car to Champion Motorsports next week and at my expense find out what the truth is about your FVD exhaust. I can say whatever i want, i paid for my mods with my money , not yours , therefore i don't recall having to ask you for permission to give my opinion. By the way according to Orli the 468rwhp of your FVD level 2 is bull**** because he never witnessed it , why don't you bring one level 2 as well and we will dyno it, i have learned that when it comes to Hp claims if i don't see it, i don't beleive it. According to Roger's dyno the best RWHP of your level 4 is about 468 , ( in mycar it was 430 because of the leaks) therefore i find hard to beleive your claim on your level 2.
Guys , why don't you ask Evans to post the movie of the dyno run of my car with the level 4 FVD and k24/26 turbos to prove my point.
Xico,
I never said you couldn't voice your opinion. That is what this forum is for... HOWEVER, you say "The other's (tech-art , FVD ) don,t make any significant HP if any." which is untrue. Again stating your opinion is fine, but stating our exhaust makes no power with ZERO proof is wrong.
So you guys don't trust Rodger about his car being 468RWHP?? Why not?? Orli's car did 468RWHP, my car did 468RWHP (Which I witnessed), one customer's car did 465RWHP and another customers car did 470RWHP all were level 2 (FVD ECU, FVD Exhaust, BMC Filter).
I will take you up on your dyno offer for SURE!! If you will pay for champion to dyno and switch my exhaust from stock to FVD and back that is no problem and you name the day and time.
As for your car....for the hundreth time, you car had so many problems unrelated to our products it is rediculous that you could ever claim it was our products. Your car dynoed 70HP short with your Evo stuff last week due to these leaks...do you not think you had the same leaks when you had our kit?? That would put you at 500RWHP which is 575BHP (EXACTLY WHAT WE CLAIM FOR YOUR OLD KIT). If anyone would like to see the video I would be GLAD to send it to you (won't host it because you are not worth my bandwidth). And again you never gave us the opportunity to fix it...just called your attorney. ***** Brombacher (owner of FVD Worldwide) offered to ship your engine AND fly you out to Germany at his expense to witness your engine do 575BHP on a real engine dyno. Why didn't you take that offer?? That was thousands of dollars we were willing to lose to make you happy
You really need to rethink what you are saying because you are claiming things that just are not true!! What are you so angry at anyway?? You were given a full refund on parts after about a full year of use, which is somthing not many tuning company's would do. You are so ungrateful and a waste of everyones time (just ask some of your past mechanics). I tried to be your friend, but your attitude of "Xico is god" is just too much for me. Everyone that meets you thinks you are the most stuck up person ever... I tried to see past it, but just couldn't do it...
Please just stop the false trash talking about FVD so I don't have to waste my time with you on here....
All the best
Evan
PS-Since I know you love your attorney's, why don't you ask them the meaning of "defamation"
 

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Old 09-05-2004 | 12:07 PM
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holy ****..whats going on here? everybody just chill out!!!is the hurricane getting to you? can't we all just get along?
 
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FVD is junk.
Thanks for sharing....
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Thanks for sharing....
Dont worry, he is a troll... this is his second actuall post about Porsche...
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 12:32 PM
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Dont worry, he is a troll... this is his second actuall post about Porsche...
Yea slowly I have learned to not get heated over that type of thing.... The above crap has just been going on too long and I am ready to/did explode.
Evan
PS-As expected we missed the eye...its crazy winds here right now (70MPH sustained..) Thank god for laptops
Evan
 
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Old 09-05-2004 | 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by AMG ETR
Yea slowly I have learned to not get heated over that type of thing.... The above crap has just been going on too long and I am ready to/did explode.
Evan
PS-As expected we missed the eye...its crazy winds here right now (70MPH sustained..) Thank god for laptops
Evan
I understand man, I would too.. I have heard nothing but good things about FVD...

when will the hurricane past?

BTW, sorry Xico for hijacking your thread...
 


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