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Old 10-03-2004, 08:53 AM
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Blew away a 993 turbo (450 bhp)

Today I raced against a 993 turbo with a 450 bhp factory performance package. We raced around 3 times at various speeds... and... what should I say? He didn't have a chance against my 100% stock 420 bhp 996 TT (tiptronic).

That guy was totally pissed and didn't understand why he got blown away by my stock 996 TT.

Does anyone know how fast his 993 turbo with 450 bhp is supposed to go from 0-60?
 
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Did you race from a roll or from a stop?
 
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Originally posted by Dock (Atlanta)
Did you race from a roll or from a stop?
All 3 races were from a roll...
 
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Rarely whip it out

BUt I shall.

Bring it on Dude
 
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Re: Rarely whip it out

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BUt I shall.

Bring it on Dude
Woo woo!! Now there's gonna be some serious trouble
 
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Re: Re: Rarely whip it out

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Woo woo!! Now there's gonna be some serious trouble
Yea... yea... but that's still not an answer to my question. How fast is that 993 meant to go from 0-60 mph?

Believe me, I was as surprised as him about me winning that drag. So either his car is going pretty bad or mine is going extraordinarily good... or both.
 
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I bet it is the power curve. 996 has variocam and more area under the curve. Basically more torque.
 
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Driver error on the part of the 993 pilot.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Rarely whip it out

Originally posted by Marx
How fast is that 993 meant to go from 0-60 mph?
Hopefully you all went well beyond 60 mph to call it a worthwhile race. 993TT (regular 400bhp one) has been tested at 3.9 sec 0-60 by US magazines. 996TT is roughly the same over that very short period.

Read this very old article I scanned on my Rennlist picture page ...

Link to Evo Mag comparison of 993TT and 996TT in 2000


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So either his car is going pretty bad or mine is going extraordinarily good... or both.
Actually, neither. The only rational explanation is driver error/poor reaction times.
 

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Sounds like someone has to learn to drive thier car.
 
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Maybe the 993T was leaking.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Rarely whip it out

Originally posted by John H in MD
Hopefully you all went well beyond 60 mph to call it a worthwhile race. 993TT (regular 400bhp one) has been tested at 3.9 sec 0-60 by US magazines. 996TT is roughly the same over that very short period.

Why are you quoting 0-60 times when the race was from a roll? With that type of race you should be quoting trap speeds, 0-60 is meaningless.
 
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Rarely whip it out

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Why are you quoting 0-60 times when the race was from a roll?
I was simply interested in how well a 993 turbo "should" generally perform.

Originally posted by John H in MD
Hopefully you all went well beyond 60 mph to call it a worthwhile race.

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Read this very old article I scanned on my Rennlist picture page ...

Link to Evo Mag comparison of 993TT and 996TT in 2000
Yep. We were going at different speeds in each race. Chances are that I will even be able to post some pics of that race, since we were with a couple other 911 cars (older and newer models - 6 cars together) and some of them had their digi-cams out.

Thanks for the URL.
 
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Re: Blew away a 993 turbo (450 bhp)

Originally posted by Marx
Today I raced against a 993 turbo with a 450 bhp factory performance package. We raced around 3 times at various speeds... and... what should I say? He didn't have a chance against my 100% stock 420 bhp 996 TT (tiptronic).

That guy was totally pissed and didn't understand why he got blown away by my stock 996 TT.

Does anyone know how fast his 993 turbo with 450 bhp is supposed to go from 0-60?
If the 993TT was running properly (including the driver) then he would have spanked you. Its a simple power to weight ratio here. 0-60 time is irrelevant from roll on the freeway.
 
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Old 10-03-2004, 11:36 PM
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All US mags rated the 993 TT faster 0-60 than the 996 TT. Usually by about .3 seconds. From a roll, the stock 993 TT and 996 TT are nearly the same. The 450 kit does not change the 0-60, only the 0-100 and 0-150. A 993 TT with the 450 kit will clearly pull a 996 TT up to about 150. I don't know what happens after that.

Bottom line: unless both drivers are doing the EXACT same thing, you can't tell which car is faster. Driver reaction time is MUCH slower than the differences between the cars.
 


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