New Project called B9R Under Construction...at BBi
#676
10-02-2009, 03:34 PM
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Some udpates: IC mounting is done, engine is in the car, turbo oil lines completed, fuel system completed and tested up to 100 psi with no leaks. Will start the car on Monday. We will put some miles on the car and break engine then tuning will start. We will be there for the Mile
#678
10-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Some udpates: IC mounting is done, engine is in the car, turbo oil lines completed, fuel system completed and tested up to 100 psi with no leaks. Will start the car on Monday. We will put some miles on the car and break engine then tuning will start. We will be there for the Mile
#679
10-02-2009, 05:36 PM
Some udpates: IC mounting is done, engine is in the car, turbo oil lines completed, fuel system completed and tested up to 100 psi with no leaks. Will start the car on Monday. We will put some miles on the car and break engine then tuning will start. We will be there for the Mile
Here is how to break in a big hp motor ............ http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Last edited by cjv; 10-02-2009 at 05:50 PM.
#680
10-02-2009, 05:56 PM
Big mistake. It's all in how you set those rings.
Here is how to break in a big hp motor ............ http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
Here is how to break in a big hp motor ............ http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
I agree 100%. My motto is break it in like you are gonna drive it, within reason. I wouldn't take a brand new engine and immediately bounce it off the limiter, but drive it like you mean it. For example, having bought many bikes new and going to the track with them, the bikes that I bought and took to the track that weekend, ended up being the fastest bikes. The bikes that I broke in, "properly" how the dealer told me, sucked. Whenever I build a motor, I run it through 2 or 3 heat cycles, checking for leaks etc... and then go drive it like I intend to, taking care to sneak up on redline...
#681
10-02-2009, 06:55 PM
I agree 100%. My motto is break it in like you are gonna drive it, within reason. I wouldn't take a brand new engine and immediately bounce it off the limiter, but drive it like you mean it. For example, having bought many bikes new and going to the track with them, the bikes that I bought and took to the track that weekend, ended up being the fastest bikes. The bikes that I broke in, "properly" how the dealer told me, sucked. Whenever I build a motor, I run it through 2 or 3 heat cycles, checking for leaks etc... and then go drive it like I intend to, taking care to sneak up on redline...
Food for thought ........ why do you think new stock 996tt's can vary up to fifty hp when the motors are identical?
#683
10-02-2009, 08:55 PM
My question to you Art is, did you read it? The only reason I mentioned this is in an above post I understood you were going to drive it around to break it in.
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
Last edited by cjv; 10-02-2009 at 09:08 PM.
#685
10-02-2009, 09:37 PM
My question to you Art is, did you read it? The only reason I mentioned this is in an above post I understood you were going to drive it around to break it in.
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
This is how Akram broke my 3.8 liter in two years ago. 10000 miles later still running without any leaks or any sort.
just my 2 cents
Robert
#686
10-02-2009, 09:39 PM
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Yes Chad I read it and it makes total sense too. At first we were thinking of breaking the motor on dyno but then.....I will keep you guys posted on my break in adventures. I do thank you for your wisdom and appreciate the honesty.
My question to you Art is, did you read it? The only reason I mentioned this is in an above post I understood you were going to drive it around to break it in.
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
#687
10-03-2009, 09:46 AM
My question to you Art is, did you read it? The only reason I mentioned this is in an above post I understood you were going to drive it around to break it in.
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
Notice that this technique isn't "beating" on the engine, but rather taking a purposeful, methodical approach to sealing the rings. The logic to this method is sound. However, some will have a hard time with this approach, since it seems to "go against the grain".
The argument for an easy break-in is usually: "that's what the manual says" ....
Or more specifically: "there are tight parts in the engine and you might do damage or even seize it if you run it hard."
Consider this:
Due to the vastly improved metal casting and machining technologies which are now used, tight parts in new engines are not normal. A manufacturing mistake causing a tight clearance is an extremely rare occurrence these days. But, if there is something wrong with the engine clearances from the factory, no amount of gentle running will fix the problem.
The real reason ???
So why do all the owner's manuals say to take it easy for the first
thousand miles ???
This is a good question ...
Q: What is the most common cause of engine problems ???
A: Failure to: Warm the engine up completely before running it hard !!!
Q: What is the second most common cause of engine problems ???
A: An easy break in !!!
Because, when the rings don't seal well, the blow-by gasses contaminate the oil with acids and other harmful combustion by-products !!
Ironically, an "easy break in" is not at all what it seems. By trying to "protect" the engine, the exact opposite happens, as leaky rings continue to contaminate your engine oil for the rest of the life of your engine !!
#688
10-04-2009, 12:03 PM
Art
I have been hearing great things about your car... not just the motor but how you set up your fuel system and all those little small tricks people fail to look at when building a killer car!
Congrats
Robet
I have been hearing great things about your car... not just the motor but how you set up your fuel system and all those little small tricks people fail to look at when building a killer car!
Congrats
Robet
#689
10-04-2009, 12:59 PM
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Thanks Doc I look forward to meet your beast in person also
+ Rep points for a nice guy. Check your email.
I look forward to meet your beast in person also + Rep points for a nice guy. Check your email.