Downshifting
#17
#19
Practice with out the car in motion. Sit in your garage for 30 minutes and try and master the technique. After that you will still suck at it but atleast you have the movenets. It takes some time to get used to because its all about timing not movements. You'll need to find the perfect amout of blip-time for each downshift before you master it. Good luck! Let us know how it goes and when you are a Pedal Dancing Master.
#21
Re: Downshifting
Originally posted by OKHJOON190
can someone please tell me the correct way to downshift?
ive been told recently that the best way to downshift would be to
step 1 : Press in the clutch
step 2 : Downshift
step 3 : Hit the gas and let go
step 4 : Depress the Clutch
is this the correct way?
is this even good for the car/clutch/me?
Help from the masters needed please
can someone please tell me the correct way to downshift?
ive been told recently that the best way to downshift would be to
step 1 : Press in the clutch
step 2 : Downshift
step 3 : Hit the gas and let go
step 4 : Depress the Clutch
is this the correct way?
is this even good for the car/clutch/me?
Help from the masters needed please
You have to resort to the other techniques of heavy brake and rev matching if you want to slow down fast but not entirely stopping and continue on around a corner or something.
Some do double-clutching out of old habits (before synchros came along). It does help preserve the life of the synchros.
Porsche invented and adopted synchros in all its cars long time back to make life easier for the driver. The synchros allow you to skip the double-clutch as long as you match the revs close enough.
I believe the term heel-n-toe came from an era where racecars had the brake pedal to the right of the gas pedal. Hence you'd heel-brake then toe-blip the gas before you complete the shift.
With modern setups, we should really call it ball-n-ball instead. First the left-ball then the right-ball of your foot.
What's really hard to master is to do rapid "heel-n-toe" in succession instead of skipping a gear. You can see some GT drivers do that when they have the footwell cam. They can execute it time and time again within split seconds. You have to be carrying a lot of speed and late-braking to practice that though.
Last edited by collin996tt; 10-08-2004 at 04:14 AM.
#22
Originally posted by Zippy
I've been practicing heel / toe for a couple of years now and am starting to get reasonably comfortable with it. What is double clutching?
Mike
I've been practicing heel / toe for a couple of years now and am starting to get reasonably comfortable with it. What is double clutching?
Mike
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#24
H&T dbl clutch is fun and it saves your tranny. It is really fun when you are decelerating at the limit from 140 mph and you need to catch a gear or two.![Smilie](https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
And yes, I still practice constantly.
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And yes, I still practice constantly.
#25
Originally posted by Soon2be993tt
<---- can't heal and toe for the life of me
just another reason I need to be driving a stick daily
<---- can't heal and toe for the life of me
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just another reason I need to be driving a stick daily
In a TT, it's best to practice from 4-3 initially. The ratios are just about right. 3-2 means you'll have to blip higher or car will be jerky.
#26
Originally posted by Zippy
I've been practicing heel / toe for a couple of years now and am starting to get reasonably comfortable with it. What is double clutching?
Mike
I've been practicing heel / toe for a couple of years now and am starting to get reasonably comfortable with it. What is double clutching?
Mike
It takes some practice and doesn't really come into play under normal street driving (maybe coming off of a freeway off-ramp). I'm not too good at double clutching myself so I just heel-toe downshift through every gear until I'm in the right gear, but I'm working on it.
#28
Originally posted by ZAMIRZ
double clutching works best at the end of a long straight-away when going from 5th to 2nd for instance. You put the clutch in, pull the car out of gear, let the clutch out, then put the clutch back in and bring the revs up and select the desired lower gear. All this has to be done while under hard braking.
It takes some practice and doesn't really come into play under normal street driving (maybe coming off of a freeway off-ramp). I'm not too good at double clutching myself so I just heel-toe downshift through every gear until I'm in the right gear, but I'm working on it.
double clutching works best at the end of a long straight-away when going from 5th to 2nd for instance. You put the clutch in, pull the car out of gear, let the clutch out, then put the clutch back in and bring the revs up and select the desired lower gear. All this has to be done while under hard braking.
It takes some practice and doesn't really come into play under normal street driving (maybe coming off of a freeway off-ramp). I'm not too good at double clutching myself so I just heel-toe downshift through every gear until I'm in the right gear, but I'm working on it.
I'd make one slight correction to the sequence that you had described. I'd bring the revs up before I put the clutch back in again.
#29
Zamirz. I thought double clutching is when you push the clutch down, take it out of gear, let the clutch back out, rev the engine the right amount for the downshift, immediately push the clutch back in and drop into lower gear and let out the clutch for perfectly smooth downshift equillizing the throttle. That is the way I do it. I believe you were missing one step. Clutch is out when you rev.
#30
collin, I agree on all accounts about it being tough to find the right gear. With my 5-speed 911 I find it much easier to find the right cog than with my 6-speed MINI.
with regards to bringing the revs up before putting the clutch in, I've heard conflicting information. I've heard your version and also the way I do it, I thought the important part is to bring the revs up before the car goes into gear so that the transmission output shaft is up to speed before you let out the clutch. I suppose the way you do it prevents excessive wear on the clutch if you happen to take your time bringing the revs up before you put the car in gear.
with regards to bringing the revs up before putting the clutch in, I've heard conflicting information. I've heard your version and also the way I do it, I thought the important part is to bring the revs up before the car goes into gear so that the transmission output shaft is up to speed before you let out the clutch. I suppose the way you do it prevents excessive wear on the clutch if you happen to take your time bringing the revs up before you put the car in gear.