Ran a LP560-4 last night
#46
I think part of the problem is that nowadays everyone with a garage is suddenly a "Porsche Tuner". There are only a handful of established tuners that I would trust, such as Ruf, Evoms, Protomotive, and a few others. As I understand, this particular car was tuned by Vivid Racing and I'm just not convinced they are up there with the best. And when you're up against a wickedly fast car like LP560, your tune and hardware better be at 100%, which I don't think was the case here. Even according to OP, his car was making low power after the kit was installed:
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ectations.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...ectations.html
As you can see from the OPs recent post above he is revisiting his tuning current performance to see if there may be something amiss....while an hour or two seems like an eternity for this thread, it will take them some time to see if that is indeed a factor.
Adam
PS Pretty sure Vivid isn't a tuner, but more of a 'vendor' for parts and services. Their tune is not their own, but rather Softtronic, AFAIK- but if I am wrong I am sure I'll hear it...
#48
Here's my take on this situation...
1. The 30 and 40 mph roll ons are not within the powerband of the TT, especially one with bigger turbos that take even slightly a little more time to spool. Thus giving the Normally Aspirated LP a jump.
2. Gearing certainly can come into play, but I'm not familiar with which has a better gearing for this application, my guess is that it's the LP simply because it's an NA car which is usually more dependant on gearing than just raw HP like a Turbo.
3. Driver's; driving is a very underated variable in these types of races. Sure HP plays a huge part in it, but let's say the other guy is the one that gave the 3 honks, takes a slight headstart then on top of that is right on with his shifts, maybe the TT owner is a slight bit disadvantaged by the other guy giving the 3 honks, and maybe he's not perfect on his shift points.
Add all of these factors together or even seperate could have lead to these results. But if all of these, Giving the 3 honks, starting at lower speeds, Gearing and better driving are all in the favor of the LP, I'd say you did pretty well even with the HP advantage. All that being said, if nothing else, I think you guys shoulda ran from 60, not 30 and 40mph, then it would have been yours hands down.
1. The 30 and 40 mph roll ons are not within the powerband of the TT, especially one with bigger turbos that take even slightly a little more time to spool. Thus giving the Normally Aspirated LP a jump.
2. Gearing certainly can come into play, but I'm not familiar with which has a better gearing for this application, my guess is that it's the LP simply because it's an NA car which is usually more dependant on gearing than just raw HP like a Turbo.
3. Driver's; driving is a very underated variable in these types of races. Sure HP plays a huge part in it, but let's say the other guy is the one that gave the 3 honks, takes a slight headstart then on top of that is right on with his shifts, maybe the TT owner is a slight bit disadvantaged by the other guy giving the 3 honks, and maybe he's not perfect on his shift points.
Add all of these factors together or even seperate could have lead to these results. But if all of these, Giving the 3 honks, starting at lower speeds, Gearing and better driving are all in the favor of the LP, I'd say you did pretty well even with the HP advantage. All that being said, if nothing else, I think you guys shoulda ran from 60, not 30 and 40mph, then it would have been yours hands down.
#49
I ran an 6,32 with 570AWHP mustang dyno...the car is AWD full interior...
so if your car is 600WHP(are you RWD also?)you should be faster than me...
There is no way a lambo (NA)can pass me...and so there is no way a lambo can pass you...We are talking about 1,5sec difference in 60-130...
It is obvious that something is wrong with your car...dyno it to see the actual power,or give us a 60-130 time in order to determine your HP...
P.S. You said you ran out of steam at 130...That is a certain indication your car is not 600AWHP...At 130 a true 600AWHP car will keep far away from the lambo...
so if your car is 600WHP(are you RWD also?)you should be faster than me...
There is no way a lambo (NA)can pass me...and so there is no way a lambo can pass you...We are talking about 1,5sec difference in 60-130...
It is obvious that something is wrong with your car...dyno it to see the actual power,or give us a 60-130 time in order to determine your HP...
P.S. You said you ran out of steam at 130...That is a certain indication your car is not 600AWHP...At 130 a true 600AWHP car will keep far away from the lambo...
Last edited by skandalis447; 04-11-2009 at 03:04 AM.
#50
I ran an 6,32 with 570AWHP mustang dyno...the car is AWD full interior...
so if your car is 600WHP(are you RWD also?)you should be faster than me...
There is no way a lambo (NA)can pass me...and so there is no way a lambo can pass you...We are talking about 1,5sec difference in 60-130...
It is obvious that something is wrong with your car...dyno it to see the actual power,or give us a 60-130 time in order to determine your HP...
P.S. You said you ran out of steam at 130...That is a certain indication your car is not 600AWHP...At 130 a true 600AWHP car will keep far away from the lambo...
so if your car is 600WHP(are you RWD also?)you should be faster than me...
There is no way a lambo (NA)can pass me...and so there is no way a lambo can pass you...We are talking about 1,5sec difference in 60-130...
It is obvious that something is wrong with your car...dyno it to see the actual power,or give us a 60-130 time in order to determine your HP...
P.S. You said you ran out of steam at 130...That is a certain indication your car is not 600AWHP...At 130 a true 600AWHP car will keep far away from the lambo...
The GT28 (if that is what he has) are known to run out of steam, especially if they are K16 based. He could have made 600 whp, for about 200RPM's!!! That Lambo makes 550ish fwhp and 400ish fwtq? Thats 450ish WHP and 325ish WTQ at a 19% loss to the wheels!!! A FLASHED 996TT could deal with that?! My car flashed was 425/500?
Speed doesn't really matter, especially if you have brake boosting. I'll race ANYONE from ANY speed.
I agree that 60-130 tells all. I think a TT with a true 500WHP would give that Lambo fits, let alone 600WHP. Good Luck.
#51
I don't think some of you guys are giving the Lambo the credit it deserves.
Those cars are VERY quick, and from what I've read, very efficient with the power they make... 3.5 second 0-60 in some magazine testing... I also agree with others that maybe the 30-40MPH "start" puts your Porsche at a disadvantage.
I'm sure if he's working with Kevin, They'll get it sorted... Kevin's no "shop that thinks they're a Porsche tuner".
Mike
Those cars are VERY quick, and from what I've read, very efficient with the power they make... 3.5 second 0-60 in some magazine testing... I also agree with others that maybe the 30-40MPH "start" puts your Porsche at a disadvantage.
I'm sure if he's working with Kevin, They'll get it sorted... Kevin's no "shop that thinks they're a Porsche tuner".
Mike
#52
I think it was driver and car. Definitely something wrong with the car, but the driver needs training as well. Sorry, ken, launching at 40 mph in 3rd gear is not conducive to good runs. It is not 3300-3500 rpm range it is more like 2600 rpm and with those monster turbos of yours you need to be starting off at 3500.
But as I have said umpteen times, the gallardo's new TRANNY is incredibly efficient double clutch setup. It is two tranny's in one, one tranns is already in the next gear waiting to be told to go there. It is blistering fast shifter and has an excellent launch control. At the same power to weight ratio the lambo will smoke a turbo. but not at the supposed power this turbo has. The lambo should have gotten spanked badly.
But as I have said umpteen times, the gallardo's new TRANNY is incredibly efficient double clutch setup. It is two tranny's in one, one tranns is already in the next gear waiting to be told to go there. It is blistering fast shifter and has an excellent launch control. At the same power to weight ratio the lambo will smoke a turbo. but not at the supposed power this turbo has. The lambo should have gotten spanked badly.
#53
Oh I missed where he said he launched in 3rd gear!
BAD Ken, BAD!!!
And you're right about the Gallardo running gear... BAD ****!
Mike
BAD Ken, BAD!!!
And you're right about the Gallardo running gear... BAD ****!
Mike
I think it was driver and car. Definitely something wrong with the car, but the driver needs training as well. Sorry, ken, launching at 40 mph in 3rd gear is not conducive to good runs. It is not 3300-3500 rpm range it is more like 2600 rpm and with those monster turbos of yours you need to be starting off at 3500.
But as I have said umpteen times, the gallardo's new TRANNY is incredibly efficient double clutch setup. It is two tranny's in one, one tranns is already in the next gear waiting to be told to go there. It is blistering fast shifter and has an excellent launch control. At the same power to weight ratio the lambo will smoke a turbo. but not at the supposed power this turbo has. The lambo should have gotten spanked badly.
But as I have said umpteen times, the gallardo's new TRANNY is incredibly efficient double clutch setup. It is two tranny's in one, one tranns is already in the next gear waiting to be told to go there. It is blistering fast shifter and has an excellent launch control. At the same power to weight ratio the lambo will smoke a turbo. but not at the supposed power this turbo has. The lambo should have gotten spanked badly.
#54
Guys
I picked an 06 Lambo G last week. Although not an 560-4, it is still quick (more hp than the 04, 05 build years.) The G is quick, but there is no way it should have walked a 600 hp 996 TT.
A 996 TT with bigger turbos should have smacked down that G; I know my TTS (not the biggest HP horse) keeps up with the G in friendly Mexican runs.
FYI -- There are ecu tuning software for the G, such as Evomsit. (If you have been following Fred's Gallardo SL posts, he got his G tuned.)
I picked an 06 Lambo G last week. Although not an 560-4, it is still quick (more hp than the 04, 05 build years.) The G is quick, but there is no way it should have walked a 600 hp 996 TT.
A 996 TT with bigger turbos should have smacked down that G; I know my TTS (not the biggest HP horse) keeps up with the G in friendly Mexican runs.
FYI -- There are ecu tuning software for the G, such as Evomsit. (If you have been following Fred's Gallardo SL posts, he got his G tuned.)
#56
#57
GT28's run out of steam? Maybe we should try mine and for the fact they are non-ball bearing. I've ran K24/18G, K24/20G, 650rwhp Viper with Meth, Drag Camaros and Drag Chevelle's and many more at 1.2bar and let me tell you that I walked them and I have them all on youtube. I won't disclose my HP but I will give you a hint, very close to ChrisGreen's car. Trick is in tuning After my new project you will see a nice run with Heffner TT Gallardo, stay tuned.
The GT28 (if that is what he has) are known to run out of steam, especially if they are K16 based. He could have made 600 whp, for about 200RPM's!!! That Lambo makes 550ish fwhp and 400ish fwtq? Thats 450ish WHP and 325ish WTQ at a 19% loss to the wheels!!! A FLASHED 996TT could deal with that?! My car flashed was 425/500?
Speed doesn't really matter, especially if you have brake boosting. I'll race ANYONE from ANY speed.
I agree that 60-130 tells all. I think a TT with a true 500WHP would give that Lambo fits, let alone 600WHP. Good Luck.
Speed doesn't really matter, especially if you have brake boosting. I'll race ANYONE from ANY speed.
I agree that 60-130 tells all. I think a TT with a true 500WHP would give that Lambo fits, let alone 600WHP. Good Luck.
#59
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IgGwfFncZI
after a certain amount of hp traction loss is to great and unless you are running dragster type tires your not going to do well.
also it will be interesting to see how the lambo heads handle repeated turbo use high heat application. they were not designed for that...
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