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One Lap of America (Porsche contender)

Seems like someone is trying to pick up where Mark left off. 996 GT2 driven by autocross ace Ian Stewart 5 points off the lead having won 4 of 5 road course events so far, placing second in the other and second on the autocross. Handing it to a couple of highly modified GT-R's in the process. Also well down in power on the trap speeds from the drag strip. And none of the movable aero devices either.

Still a great battle to watch nonetheless.

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Ian was driving a GT3 last year and did extremely well with a 4th place overall with much less power than his competition (a very talented driver). The GT2 may give him the firepower to get them over the top. Note- GT2 was 9 sec faster at Sebring than the GT-R, hopefully this bodes well for leaving the GT-R in the dust at Daytona!

http://wot.motortrend.com/6538715/on...ing/index.html

"PRE-RACE BIO: Peter Lier scored a class victory at his first ever One Lap in 2007 and had "the most fun I have ever had with my clothes on" while doing it. In 2008, with co-driver Ian Stewart, he finished fourth overall in a Porsche 911 GT3. He returns this year with Stewart, an upgraded 2002 Porsche 911 GT2, and sights set at the top.

The pair has the right set of tools; both compete in SCCA Solo and Club events at the national level, and, even in stock form, the GT2 is no slouch. But Lier and Stewart want better. They've added a GMG exhaust and a Super Lock LSD from OS Giken, along with Moton Motorsports shocks, RS uprights, solid bushings, monoballs, and a rear sway bar. GIAC tuned the engine management system, while a Porsche GT3 loaned a set of seats. The Porsche rides on CCW wheels shod with Michelin PS2 tires and brakes augmented with Cobalt brake pads."
 

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Mark Davia did it in a 996 turbo 5 years in a row and last year he made the difference in the wet, where the viper spun out.in the wet, you sure the GT2 is making the difference you want....The GTR came in 11th last year.
 
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In a drivers hands GT2 is the way to go. In a non-experienced driver then maybe the Turbo.
 
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Originally Posted by Prche951
Mark Davia did it in a 996 turbo 5 years in a row and last year he made the difference in the wet, where the viper spun out.in the wet, you sure the GT2 is making the difference you want....The GTR came in 11th last year.
Well so far they have done the wet skid pad where the GT2 got third, a drying track from night rains at the autobahn road course, a semi-wet track at the autocross, a wet track at Talladega Grand Prix for two events and the GT2 won or placed second in all of them. Even with RWD.

He didn't really have a chance in the drag race, but still did ok placing third. From here on out it's mostly road courses. And for a GT2 that has nothing but a tune and Motons, it's pretty revealing. Were Mark running this year, he'd have a bigger challenge than he did last year with the ACR because these guys are consistent too. The ACR basically didnt even run the wet skid pad finishing last or second to last, then went off on a few other tracks and built to big of a deficit to come back.

Mod for mod, the GT2 is handling it's business.
 

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I am surprised there are no 997's in the race. Either GT2 or TT's.
 
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Originally Posted by Prche951
I am surprised there are no 997's in the race. Either GT2 or TT's.

The one lap is brutal, some people do it for fun and proceeds go to charities but rarely are those the competitive ones. There is a 997 GT3 and a 997 Turbo in the field, but they aren't competitive drivers. The TT was way back but clawed it's way back to 11th but is still behind an M5 and the GT3 is still pretty far back and is behind an M6. That should say enough. Probably just out there for the heck of it. They won't go to most of the tracks or haven't been to most of the tracks right before the event to prepare and have no chance. A good driver is top ten in just about anything that's decently fast and reliable.
 

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To hard to tell right now how the GT2 is going to do. The wet skid pad is more of a Tire adhesion test than suspension dynamics, so the difference between these cars(last years TT and this years GT2) not seen yet. Evidenced by the fact that the GTR beat the GT2 on the wet skid pad.

I am sure that the GT2 will do well especially considering that it has a top level driver. Not to take anything away from last years driver, for sure. Should be a great event.
 
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Originally Posted by Prche951
To hard to tell right now how the GT2 is going to do. The wet skid pad is more of a Tire adhesion test than suspension dynamics, so the difference between these cars(last years TT and this years GT2) not seen yet. Evidenced by the fact that the GTR beat the GT2 on the wet skid pad.

I am sure that the GT2 will do well especially considering that it has a top level driver. Not to take anything away from last years driver, for sure. Should be a great event.

The wet skid pad isn't soley about tire adhesion, not even close. Heavy AWD cars always do well, and considering the GT-R broke the wet skid pad record, he would have most likely beaten Mark too. And also considering the majority of the field is on the same PS2 tires or similar, the only thing left is chassis,drivetrain comparison. The GT2 also had higher G's on the wet skid pad than Mark's TT did a year ago. You can tune a suspension for the wet, so a lot of it has to do with the driver and the adjustements made for the wet.

As long as the GT2 stays healthy it's likely to win considering it's current domination of road course events. The 800 hp GT-R will steal an event or two when they get the issues sorted out, but it's way too far back in points to win unless both the GT2 and other GT-R fail.
 

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Sebring is Ians home track, the GTR driver has never been there, gonna be interesting & tight down to the wire barring a mechanical.
Originally Posted by Danyol
Ian was driving a GT3 last year and did extremely well with a 4th place overall with much less power than his competition (a very talented driver). The GT2 may give him the firepower to get them over the top. Note- GT2 was 9 sec faster at Sebring than the GT-R, hopefully this bodes well for leaving the GT-R in the dust at Daytona!

http://wot.motortrend.com/6538715/on...ing/index.html

"PRE-RACE BIO: Peter Lier scored a class victory at his first ever One Lap in 2007 and had "the most fun I have ever had with my clothes on" while doing it. In 2008, with co-driver Ian Stewart, he finished fourth overall in a Porsche 911 GT3. He returns this year with Stewart, an upgraded 2002 Porsche 911 GT2, and sights set at the top.

The pair has the right set of tools; both compete in SCCA Solo and Club events at the national level, and, even in stock form, the GT2 is no slouch. But Lier and Stewart want better. They've added a GMG exhaust and a Super Lock LSD from OS Giken, along with Moton Motorsports shocks, RS uprights, solid bushings, monoballs, and a rear sway bar. GIAC tuned the engine management system, while a Porsche GT3 loaned a set of seats. The Porsche rides on CCW wheels shod with Michelin PS2 tires and brakes augmented with Cobalt brake pads."
 
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Originally Posted by Danyol
Ian was driving a GT3 last year and did extremely well with a 4th place overall with much less power than his competition (a very talented driver). The GT2 may give him the firepower to get them over the top. Note- GT2 was 9 sec faster at Sebring than the GT-R, hopefully this bodes well for leaving the GT-R in the dust at Daytona!

http://wot.motortrend.com/6538715/on...ing/index.html
The Motor Trend article says Ian ran a cumulative lap time of 7min. 5 sec. at Sebring. Does anyone know what this means? Is it a running 3 laps?
 
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Originally Posted by mcar00
The Motor Trend article says Ian ran a cumulative lap time of 7min. 5 sec. at Sebring. Does anyone know what this means? Is it a running 3 laps?

Yep, 3 laps put together. Ian did run a sub 2:20 which is FLYING at sebring with only ~525 hp. He ran 7:00 in the morning session for 3 laps which is an average time of 2:20 on the dot with one standing start lap. Although they do a standing start, but in this case it looked like they started a tab bit behind the finish line so they were at least rolling a little bit, I'm not sure.

I know the Supercup cars are running 2:10's, so to be within 8-9 seconds of them on PS2's is crazy fast.
 
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Hey Guys, Ian Stewart here. Read the posts last year but never posted.
Bit of an Update. We cranked a 2:18.7 at Sebring. Which is about what our TBL in testing showed the car could do. We had some teething issues in testing and have pulled the car back a bit. No idea what she'd dyno now but we're thinking in the 480-490whp range. Just plain ran out of time to work on getting more hp. The OS Giken Diff we put in was hands down one of the best upgrades as the car does a fantastic job of putting the power down. Hence the wins in the wet. We hit a peice of road debris last night and no longer have a front splitter. This made Daytona an absolute mess. On the Data my afternoon run could have cracked a sub 2:00 lap but it was just flat driver error in places. The GTR got on the wheel in the afternoon and even using my TBL's he still got me. The car danced around A LOT on the banking with no front downforce. We ran the morning with lots of rear wing and it was all over the place at 170mph on the banking. We took some wing out in the afternoon and it balanced the car much better. It's still scary doing 177 mph (data) into the trioval on street tires with NO cage. Blowing a tire ment being airlifted.
CMP is the GT-R's home track. I hold track records there in 2 classes with the SCCA but I think I'll give them the Nod at CMP. Beaverrun is very bumpy for us. I think were going to be in a hole coming into the dry skid pad and hopefully 3400lbs can claw back some spots on 3900lbs going in a circle. Thanks for cheering me on.
CMP might be wet tomorrow morning so this could get even more interesting. They are on the better wet tire (hence wet skid pad numbers). Their testing says the conti is slightly quicker in the wet and every so slightly slower in the dry.
 
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Thumbs up Great Job !!!!!!!!!!!!

Good Luck, Mr. Sideways !

It takes a major amount of skill to wring out every once of performance in a GT2
(I have the sissy AWD model 996 turbo combined with average driving skills),
We would love to see you win and most of us have alot of respect for the heavy Japanese car, we just are having a hard time believing the ring times.

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Anybody know the mods on the 996 GT2 (suspension and engine)?

How about the most competitive GTR ?

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