Are KWs worth the extra $ over PSS10s
#61
For anyone interested, I just got authorization to offer a pretty amazing deal on the V3's!!
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PM me for the best price around! This may help make the decision a little easier.
#62
Dave,
I had KW v3s installed and had the car lowered to GT2 spec with a corner balance. I agree that the ride is improved however I have noticed an increase in bump steer. I have no clear answer for a resolution on this. Just a FYI.
Maybe someone can chime in with an opinion and solution for this.
Kevin
I had KW v3s installed and had the car lowered to GT2 spec with a corner balance. I agree that the ride is improved however I have noticed an increase in bump steer. I have no clear answer for a resolution on this. Just a FYI.
Maybe someone can chime in with an opinion and solution for this.
Kevin
#63
Kevin, bumpsteer is not what it sounds like, and likely not what you feel as bumpsteer is not something you could easily feel if at all. Bumpsteer is changes in alignment under cornering load. What you feel is likely the bump/rebound settings on the shock being too stiff, so when you go over a bump the car bounces all over the place. Pretty common with stiffer shocks, you'll have to play with the suspension settings and possibly the spring rates to remedy that.
#64
Originally Posted by AutoTalent
rafiki, the Club Sports do ride stiffer compared to the V3's. Comfort wise, everyone loves the KW V3's over stock, no comparison. For mostly street use I would suggest going with the V3's over the Club Sport.
Originally Posted by Onelove
The Clubsports are actually quite a bit more streetable than I thought. We have those on our camo car and I've driven down cobblestone roads expecting to get fillings knocked out after driving PSS10 and JIC equiped cars, and the clubsports ride smooth as glass.
Last edited by rafiki; 10-08-2009 at 05:27 AM.
#66
OK, for those who said they were having difficulty understanding the effects of compression and rebound adjustments, or just having a tough time setting their V3's to a good feel for every day driving, I scanned the initial setup instructions from KW for you guys. This should give you a better understand of how the compression (bump) and rebound settings will translate into how the suspension feels. It also includes KW's recommended starting point for both front and rear settings. Aren't I such a nice guy?
#67
Dave,
I had KW v3s installed and had the car lowered to GT2 spec with a corner balance. I agree that the ride is improved however I have noticed an increase in bump steer. I have no clear answer for a resolution on this. Just a FYI.
Maybe someone can chime in with an opinion and solution for this.
Kevin
I had KW v3s installed and had the car lowered to GT2 spec with a corner balance. I agree that the ride is improved however I have noticed an increase in bump steer. I have no clear answer for a resolution on this. Just a FYI.
Maybe someone can chime in with an opinion and solution for this.
Kevin
Can you post up your impressions of the ride at slow and fast speeds. Also does the suspension feel close to stock. Is it softer or stiffer? How do you have the suspension set? Any noises such as clunking or poping? I'm still trying to decide between the Bilsteins and V3s. Thanks for any input.
Dave
#68
Dialing in my suspension is my next priority. Been reading this and other threads re coilovers for the 996tt. Very undecided but I've narrow it down to PSS 10's, KW V3's and JIC/Cross!
One of my goals is lowering to improve the look and the car will only be tracked once or twice a year. Looking for a firm ride with crisp and quiet handling and don't want to hit the bump stops due to lowering.
Running JIC/Cross on a R56 Mini Cooper S that's my track car and I really love them. However, they are VERY FIRM (too lazy to change settings for the street)and noisy (had to cut through the rear sub frame for the rear remote extentions). The front pillow ball mounts also contribute to noise levels.
Each system seems to have it's benefits and are all within a couple hundred bucks of one another. The PSS 10's seem to have the biggest debate regarding lowering, the KW's have the independant adjustments for both compression & rebound and the Cross come with camber plates and pillow ball mounts.
Currently running 19" wheels for the summer and stock 18's for the winter. Not sure of alignment spec's yet. Need to talk to some of the shops up here in Seattle that will help me with this decision.
Does anyone have experience with all three and can provide your impressions of what you found that you like or dislike about the systems. I am really leaning toward the JIC/Cross due to the camber plates and the independant ride height adjustment but the downside is the noise from the pillow ball mounts even though they should have a handling advantage.
Additional insight would be appreciated.
Cheers!
One of my goals is lowering to improve the look and the car will only be tracked once or twice a year. Looking for a firm ride with crisp and quiet handling and don't want to hit the bump stops due to lowering.
Running JIC/Cross on a R56 Mini Cooper S that's my track car and I really love them. However, they are VERY FIRM (too lazy to change settings for the street)and noisy (had to cut through the rear sub frame for the rear remote extentions). The front pillow ball mounts also contribute to noise levels.
Each system seems to have it's benefits and are all within a couple hundred bucks of one another. The PSS 10's seem to have the biggest debate regarding lowering, the KW's have the independant adjustments for both compression & rebound and the Cross come with camber plates and pillow ball mounts.
Currently running 19" wheels for the summer and stock 18's for the winter. Not sure of alignment spec's yet. Need to talk to some of the shops up here in Seattle that will help me with this decision.
Does anyone have experience with all three and can provide your impressions of what you found that you like or dislike about the systems. I am really leaning toward the JIC/Cross due to the camber plates and the independant ride height adjustment but the downside is the noise from the pillow ball mounts even though they should have a handling advantage.
Additional insight would be appreciated.
Cheers!
#70
Dave;
My Kw's are at their recommended settings. I have not played around with this yet. As far as ride quality, one of the things that prompted me to change the original system out was the jitteryness at highway speed. I'm not sure if I can explain this properly but while the ride is a little stiffer than stock it is smoother. The car feels more planted but that may be due to the lowered ride height.
At lower speeds you notice the stiffness more than at highway speeds where it feels more in control. I have not experienced any noise related to the shocks.
heavychevy - you may be right about what I am calling bump steer, all I can say is that with bumpy conditions whether at high speed or low the steering wheel definitely moves more that stock. This may be an artifact of ride height as mentioned on other threads here. Thanks for the input!
I did not have an opportunity to eval the PS9/10 product. I would go with a shop that will support your choice and work with you during the tweaking phase. After install my shop shut down so I went with a popular forum favorite which was a joke.
Good luck
Kevin
My Kw's are at their recommended settings. I have not played around with this yet. As far as ride quality, one of the things that prompted me to change the original system out was the jitteryness at highway speed. I'm not sure if I can explain this properly but while the ride is a little stiffer than stock it is smoother. The car feels more planted but that may be due to the lowered ride height.
At lower speeds you notice the stiffness more than at highway speeds where it feels more in control. I have not experienced any noise related to the shocks.
heavychevy - you may be right about what I am calling bump steer, all I can say is that with bumpy conditions whether at high speed or low the steering wheel definitely moves more that stock. This may be an artifact of ride height as mentioned on other threads here. Thanks for the input!
I did not have an opportunity to eval the PS9/10 product. I would go with a shop that will support your choice and work with you during the tweaking phase. After install my shop shut down so I went with a popular forum favorite which was a joke.
Good luck
Kevin
#71
OK, for those who said they were having difficulty understanding the effects of compression and rebound adjustments, or just having a tough time setting their V3's to a good feel for every day driving, I scanned the initial setup instructions from KW for you guys. This should give you a better understand of how the compression (bump) and rebound settings will translate into how the suspension feels. It also includes KW's recommended starting point for both front and rear settings. Aren't I such a nice guy?
You're in Pompano? what's with the 305 phone code?
#72
Here is my exp. with KW V3, I got the HLS lift kit and really enjoy it. With my current setting, the ride is a lot better than stock and a lot more stable at high speed. I haven track the car since I soften the setting, so I cant comment on that.
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-kit-pic.html
https://www.6speedonline.com/forums/...s-kit-pic.html
#73
You're welcome! Yes, we're now located in Pompano Beach, just a few blocks off I95. Originally we had a smaller location further south in Miami, but have since moved to a larger facility up in nice quiet Pompano. For the sake of consistency, we've kept the 305 number so that people could still find us.
#75
As to what brand you buy, the issue is the quality of the monoballs at the ends. Other board member may wish to share their experience with specific manufacturers.
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