so i got called out by a ZR1
#181
11-29-2009, 04:32 AM
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SultonOfCars, Sure you can take any sh1tbox and make it fast. It'll still be a sh1tbox. The difference here is that both the ZR1 and the 996TT have a level of class and sophistication that you either "get" and appreciate, or you don't. Kinda like eating a fine Filet Mignon at an expensive restraunt or going to Ruby Tuesday. If you won't appreciate the Filet, don't bother wasting the money on the meal.
Now, you've called people TWITs and TOOLs... I recommend you knock off the personal insults or you might find yourself on the outside looking in. Got it?
Mike
Now, you've called people TWITs and TOOLs... I recommend you knock off the personal insults or you might find yourself on the outside looking in. Got it?
Mike
#182
11-29-2009, 06:27 AM
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So it's ok to assume that your ZR-1 can run much faster times than the magazines in great conditions, but the CGT can't?
How many magazines have trapped 133 mph in a ZR-1? You are about 3mph faster. And a lot of that has to do with hardly any of the mags testing at the best tracks in the country like the ones you get to drive at.
But I'm sure there are a lot of CGT's at the track when you go, especially ones with good drivers in them.
Food for thought, you have the fastest (by a good margin) K24 trap (without much weight reduction, meth etc.) that we know of. It takes a K24/18g at least to run with a CGT and since you seem to buy the fastest one of every car that you buy, I'd bet you'd be way faster in an 18g car than that 129 mph, and hence way faster in a CGT than that as well.
So it's ok to assume that your ZR-1 can run much faster times than the magazines in great conditions, but the CGT can't?
How many magazines have trapped 133 mph in a ZR-1? You are about 3mph faster. And a lot of that has to do with hardly any of the mags testing at the best tracks in the country like the ones you get to drive at.
But I'm sure there are a lot of CGT's at the track when you go, especially ones with good drivers in them.
Food for thought, you have the fastest (by a good margin) K24 trap (without much weight reduction, meth etc.) that we know of. It takes a K24/18g at least to run with a CGT and since you seem to buy the fastest one of every car that you buy, I'd bet you'd be way faster in an 18g car than that 129 mph, and hence way faster in a CGT than that as well.
So my point doesn't get twisted by you, let me say I love the Carrera and all Porsches for that matter but just because I own a couple Porsches and I really like them doesn't automatically make them the greatest thing ever, because their not as there are a lot of really cool cars made IMO and I have respect for them all, and if you look at my signature you will see I practice what I preach, I am not a homer that buys something then claims it the greatest, you know like you!
I think it would be safe to say a 10.7 133 mph 1/4 mile run would give me as good if not better 60-130 as any published Carrera run ever made, and the difference is mine isn't a magazine article its real world and if you go over to the corvette forum you can probably watch a video of it.
Also I didn't say the Carrera couldn't do it, I just don't think its very likely as the clutch is not very user friendly for launching (a friend of mine had one and said the clutch is super grabby and hard to get used to) and the fact that the Carrera has about 30 less hp and 170 less ft lb of torque than the ZR1, that is a big deficit to try and make up with driving ability IMO.
I am sure you realize trq gets the car moving (435 to ZR1's 602) and hp sustains it (612 to ZR1's 638).
Believe what you want, but if you ever get a chance head out to the track and you might be surprised the difference from published times and actual track times!
Last edited by jamie furman; 11-29-2009 at 07:02 AM.
#184
11-29-2009, 06:58 AM
Owned? Whats that supposed to mean? How old are you like 12? Thats one report, that doesn't make it accurate!
So my point doesn't get twisted by you, let me say I love the Carrera and all Porsches for that matter but just because I own a couple Porsches and I really like them doesn't automatically make them the greatest thing ever, because their not as there are a lot of really cool cars made IMO and I have respect for them all.
I think it would be safe to say a 10.7 133 mph 1/4 mile run would give me as good if not better 60-130 as any published Carrera run ever made, and the difference is my isn't a magazine article its real world and if you go over to the corvette forum you can probably watch a video of it.
Also I didn't say the Carrera couldn't do it, I just don't think its very likely as the clutch is not very user friendly for launching (a friend of mine had one and said the clutch is super grabby and hard to get used to) and the fact that the Carrera has about 30 less hp and 170 less ft lb of torque than the ZR1, that is a big deficit to try and make up with driving ability IMO.
I am sure you realize trq gets the car moving (435 to ZR1's 602) and hp sustains it (612 to ZR1's 638).
Believe what you want, but if you ever get a chance head out to the track and you might be surprised the difference from published times and actual track times!
So my point doesn't get twisted by you, let me say I love the Carrera and all Porsches for that matter but just because I own a couple Porsches and I really like them doesn't automatically make them the greatest thing ever, because their not as there are a lot of really cool cars made IMO and I have respect for them all.
I think it would be safe to say a 10.7 133 mph 1/4 mile run would give me as good if not better 60-130 as any published Carrera run ever made, and the difference is my isn't a magazine article its real world and if you go over to the corvette forum you can probably watch a video of it.
Also I didn't say the Carrera couldn't do it, I just don't think its very likely as the clutch is not very user friendly for launching (a friend of mine had one and said the clutch is super grabby and hard to get used to) and the fact that the Carrera has about 30 less hp and 170 less ft lb of torque than the ZR1, that is a big deficit to try and make up with driving ability IMO.
I am sure you realize trq gets the car moving (435 to ZR1's 602) and hp sustains it (612 to ZR1's 638).
Believe what you want, but if you ever get a chance head out to the track and you might be surprised the difference from published times and actual track times!
Very nice retort Jamie. Just been observing this thread but felt the need to post.
This guy (Heavy Chevy) is the epitome of fanboi. ANY, and I mean ANY Porsche vs Corvette thread --- you know he will be posting. I'd bet an assload of money on it.
I've seen plenty of vids and timeslips of your cars/runs and would trust your opinon over virtually anybody's on here. On top of that, you are a true car enthusiast REGARDLESS of the badge on the hood.
For the record - I'm not saying the guy running his piehole doesn't deserve to be put in his place. He does.
#185
11-29-2009, 08:02 AM
X2...One thing I can say after years of reading on the CF Jamie is someone that walks the walk with a stable of cars only some of us can dream of. Thanks for joining the thread Jamie...
#187
11-29-2009, 08:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNN8WZZiubs
Last edited by DJ'sZ; 11-29-2009 at 08:36 AM.
#189
11-29-2009, 09:26 AM
#190
11-29-2009, 09:36 AM
heres the deal after the race they guy gets in a corvette and you drive home in a p car.... both cars fell great when your drivin but nobody else really cares except u, so you made the right chorice and so did the vett driver. of course he will now know what p car tail lights look like....enjoy the race and be safe. i'll stick to the twisties!!
years ago while driving down the road with my wife(in an old vette) i saw a nice f car go by mentioned to my wife wish i had one of those.. her responce was bet he doesn't have 6 corvettes a 56 chev and a 76 turbo... i said not a word
years ago while driving down the road with my wife(in an old vette) i saw a nice f car go by mentioned to my wife wish i had one of those.. her responce was bet he doesn't have 6 corvettes a 56 chev and a 76 turbo... i said not a word
#191
11-29-2009, 09:57 AM
Not sure of the "bolt-ons" Scott...It's about a 60rwhp increase so I'm thinkin' headers & tune...? Surely not a pulley change for that small of an increase.
Just can't see Sean driving any American muscle...would be too much car for you Doc. 
Just can't see Sean driving any American muscle...would be too much car for you Doc.
#192
11-29-2009, 10:00 AM
Owned? Whats that supposed to mean? How old are you like 12? Thats one report, that doesn't make it the final word or even accurate for that matter!
No it just means you got caught with your foot in your mouth, just wanted to point that out.
So my point doesn't get twisted by you, let me say I love the Carrera and all Porsches for that matter but just because I own a couple Porsches and I really like them doesn't automatically make them the greatest thing ever, because their not as there are a lot of really cool cars made IMO and I have respect for them all, and if you look at my signature you will see I practice what I preach, I am not a homer that buys something then claims it the greatest, you know like you!
I could care less what you love, that's not the point. I love Corvette's too, and have owned them. Never said they were the greatest thing ever, which to me is another car you have, the ACR.
BTW, stop trying to make this personal and deal with the facts.
I think it would be safe to say a 10.7 133 mph 1/4 mile run would give me as good if not better 60-130 as any published Carrera run ever made, and the difference is mine isn't a magazine article its real world and if you go over to the corvette forum you can probably watch a video of it.
The POINT my friend is that you have the fastest of any ZR-1 time too, so it would only be fair to test a CGT under the same conditions with the same kind of driver don't ya think? To keep it consistent? As opposed to comparing your way faster than magazine time directly to a magazine time or as you would have it an assumed to be slower than magazine time.
Also I didn't say the Carrera couldn't do it, I just don't think its very likely as the clutch is not very user friendly for launching (a friend of mine had one and said the clutch is super grabby and hard to get used to) and the fact that the Carrera has about 30 less hp and 170 less ft lb of torque than the ZR1, that is a big deficit to try and make up with driving ability IMO.
Whoah, you said Porsche never made a car that can pull a ZR-1 stock to stock. That has nothing to do with launches.
I am sure you realize trq gets the car moving (435 to ZR1's 602) and hp sustains it (612 to ZR1's 638).
Kinda, torque AND gearing get a car moving (think torque multiplier). Not to mention the ZR-1 has some weight over the CGT. Not to mention power bands, aero drag and all the other components of acceleration (which come into play BIG at 130 mph as you mentioned). You can never guess how fast any car is by looking at it's torque graph and knowing it's weight. Acceleration is a conglomerate of things.
Not to mention the ZR-1 can't use all of the torque down low anyways, so much of it will go unused. By the time all of it is useful, you are getting into hp, aero, gearing which we have to assume the CGT has the advantage due to the proximity of the numbers since it's way overmatched in torque.
Believe what you want, but if you ever get a chance head out to the track and you might be surprised the difference from published times and actual track times!
No it just means you got caught with your foot in your mouth, just wanted to point that out.
So my point doesn't get twisted by you, let me say I love the Carrera and all Porsches for that matter but just because I own a couple Porsches and I really like them doesn't automatically make them the greatest thing ever, because their not as there are a lot of really cool cars made IMO and I have respect for them all, and if you look at my signature you will see I practice what I preach, I am not a homer that buys something then claims it the greatest, you know like you!
I could care less what you love, that's not the point. I love Corvette's too, and have owned them. Never said they were the greatest thing ever, which to me is another car you have, the ACR.
BTW, stop trying to make this personal and deal with the facts.
I think it would be safe to say a 10.7 133 mph 1/4 mile run would give me as good if not better 60-130 as any published Carrera run ever made, and the difference is mine isn't a magazine article its real world and if you go over to the corvette forum you can probably watch a video of it.
The POINT my friend is that you have the fastest of any ZR-1 time too, so it would only be fair to test a CGT under the same conditions with the same kind of driver don't ya think? To keep it consistent? As opposed to comparing your way faster than magazine time directly to a magazine time or as you would have it an assumed to be slower than magazine time.
Also I didn't say the Carrera couldn't do it, I just don't think its very likely as the clutch is not very user friendly for launching (a friend of mine had one and said the clutch is super grabby and hard to get used to) and the fact that the Carrera has about 30 less hp and 170 less ft lb of torque than the ZR1, that is a big deficit to try and make up with driving ability IMO.
Whoah, you said Porsche never made a car that can pull a ZR-1 stock to stock. That has nothing to do with launches.
I am sure you realize trq gets the car moving (435 to ZR1's 602) and hp sustains it (612 to ZR1's 638).
Kinda, torque AND gearing get a car moving (think torque multiplier). Not to mention the ZR-1 has some weight over the CGT. Not to mention power bands, aero drag and all the other components of acceleration (which come into play BIG at 130 mph as you mentioned). You can never guess how fast any car is by looking at it's torque graph and knowing it's weight. Acceleration is a conglomerate of things.
Not to mention the ZR-1 can't use all of the torque down low anyways, so much of it will go unused. By the time all of it is useful, you are getting into hp, aero, gearing which we have to assume the CGT has the advantage due to the proximity of the numbers since it's way overmatched in torque.
Believe what you want, but if you ever get a chance head out to the track and you might be surprised the difference from published times and actual track times!
My point is that you can't assume it would be slower in your hands when all the evidence supports otherwise. And just being equal is about enough.
Amerlemans, aren't you the same guy who said a Z06 interior was better quality than a 996?
And I'm a homer?
Get outta here.
#193
11-29-2009, 10:15 AM
Just can't see Sean driving any American muscle...would be too much car for you Doc.
#194
11-29-2009, 10:21 AM
That's the beauty of lower displacement, higher revving, high hp cars. The torque is shifted a little to the right and progressive so you don't waste time roasting the tires. Plus with the engine in the back above the tires, it has a huge traction advantage.
#195
11-29-2009, 10:24 AM
Scott and Dennis,
The GT2 is going no-where....I would be replacing the M3. I was pissed at her because she was giving me grief lately (was primarily looking at a C63) but I have gotten her running well (actually my mechanic, and I had to work out some stuff w/ him as well).
Now that she is not giving me any grief, she is secure in my devotion (sounds like a girlfriend/wife scenario)
The GT2 is going no-where....I would be replacing the M3. I was pissed at her because she was giving me grief lately (was primarily looking at a C63) but I have gotten her running well (actually my mechanic, and I had to work out some stuff w/ him as well).
Now that she is not giving me any grief, she is secure in my devotion (sounds like a girlfriend/wife scenario
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