60-130 MPH: New performance measurement!
#33
Originally posted by Bill S
Going to 180 or 200 is not practical for most people in the US. 60-130 is easy and still removes the starting problems.
Going to 180 or 200 is not practical for most people in the US. 60-130 is easy and still removes the starting problems.
most cars can do 130 these days before they run out of breath. i think a turbo porsche should be measured higher.
#34
Originally posted by rmrmd1956
EVO 700 about 7.5sec, measured from a poor video of Bill Paul and Todd driving at a closed course in Malaysia
EVO 700 about 7.5sec, measured from a poor video of Bill Paul and Todd driving at a closed course in Malaysia
Here's a video someone published a while back for an EVO Stage 4. I measure the 60-130 MPH to be the same as my Ruf Turbo R: 8.7 seconds.
http://24.94.0.103/~bills/996tt0_160.avi
#35
Originally posted by Bill S
Thanks for reporting! Can you post the video for us to enjoy?
Here's a video someone published a while back for an EVO Stage 4. I measure the 60-130 MPH to be the same as my Ruf Turbo R: 8.7 seconds.
http://24.94.0.103/~bills/996tt0_160.avi
Thanks for reporting! Can you post the video for us to enjoy?
Here's a video someone published a while back for an EVO Stage 4. I measure the 60-130 MPH to be the same as my Ruf Turbo R: 8.7 seconds.
http://24.94.0.103/~bills/996tt0_160.avi
Bill, that is my X-car, now owned by the afore mentioned speed demon, Bill Paul, affectionately known by his friends as Buck80
#39
#40
Figured I'd chime in - don't you guys have any sort of VAG logging tools? Also, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to do a run in a single gear, to eliminate the shift variable?
For instance, just do a third gear pull from a given RPM - you can extrapolate similar times from 0-100 times given in mags for other car.
I poked around on the web and I don't see any logging tools for P-cars - is there really nothign available? For the S4, we use a 60-90 (4200-6500rpm in 3rd) as a performance metric, and can log one of several blocks in VAG that show time vs. rpm. It's extrememly precise (as long as you aren't going downhill ).
For instance, just do a third gear pull from a given RPM - you can extrapolate similar times from 0-100 times given in mags for other car.
I poked around on the web and I don't see any logging tools for P-cars - is there really nothign available? For the S4, we use a 60-90 (4200-6500rpm in 3rd) as a performance metric, and can log one of several blocks in VAG that show time vs. rpm. It's extrememly precise (as long as you aren't going downhill ).
#41
Originally posted by GoWide
Figured I'd chime in - don't you guys have any sort of VAG logging tools? Also, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to do a run in a single gear, to eliminate the shift variable?
For instance, just do a third gear pull from a given RPM - you can extrapolate similar times from 0-100 times given in mags for other car.
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Figured I'd chime in - don't you guys have any sort of VAG logging tools? Also, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to do a run in a single gear, to eliminate the shift variable?
For instance, just do a third gear pull from a given RPM - you can extrapolate similar times from 0-100 times given in mags for other car.
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Last edited by MKW; 12-14-2004 at 01:36 PM.
#42
Originally posted by MKW
Good suggestion , but I would recommend 4th gear (which goes from about 40 -135 if you start at 2000 rpm )to test power : Set the cruise control at 2000 rpm , then gun it to 6500 rpm . Tests the whole power band ,factors in quickness of turbo spooling , reveals different companies' ECU tuning flat spots , factors in drag caused by wider tires or aftermarket body enhancements - the whole ball of wax , since we drive cars on roads, not dynos .
Good suggestion , but I would recommend 4th gear (which goes from about 40 -135 if you start at 2000 rpm )to test power : Set the cruise control at 2000 rpm , then gun it to 6500 rpm . Tests the whole power band ,factors in quickness of turbo spooling , reveals different companies' ECU tuning flat spots , factors in drag caused by wider tires or aftermarket body enhancements - the whole ball of wax , since we drive cars on roads, not dynos .
Other tests bring in too many variables like throttle response, reaction time, etc. Also, these tests are not easily repeatable. The 60-130 test has shown to be very repeatable and is easy to do. It also tests turbo response between shifts, power curves, gearing, etc.
#43
I like speedo/tach videos because they show things that you don't get from these tools, especially when you include sound.
#44
Originally posted by Bill S
Gunning it at the starting speed has too many variables, like turbo lag and reaction time. Doing it like this gets rid of all that. It also allows you to compare your times with what you see in the magazines.
Gunning it at the starting speed has too many variables, like turbo lag and reaction time. Doing it like this gets rid of all that. It also allows you to compare your times with what you see in the magazines.
The comparison to magazines won't be an exact science (or even close), just as is the case with car to car comparisons that may be posted on this Fourm.
#45
Originally posted by Dock (Atlanta)
There are variables that have to be taken into consideration with your 60-130 run...the slope of the road, density altitude, and weight (how much gas and the weight of the driver).
The comparison to magazines won't be an exact science (or even close), just as is the case with car to car comparisons that may be posted on this Fourm.
There are variables that have to be taken into consideration with your 60-130 run...the slope of the road, density altitude, and weight (how much gas and the weight of the driver).
The comparison to magazines won't be an exact science (or even close), just as is the case with car to car comparisons that may be posted on this Fourm.
From results people have been posting, the times seem to agree with what we see when we race. A 60 to 130 MPH time under 7 seconds is VERY fast under common conditions. So far, only a Ruf CTR posted such a fast time on another forum.
Bottom line is this test measures the absolute fastest your car can accelerate from 60 to 130.
Let's hear some more numbers, and don't be afraid to post if your times are "slow". We can figure that our later, especially if you provide us with a speedo/tach video with sound.