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Old 12-16-2004 | 03:54 PM
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Old 12-16-2004 | 05:29 PM
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Re: 1/4 mile times

Originally posted by MARKSKI
Hey you guys.... im kinda of new to the this board... So Im still getting familiar with "whos who"...
....I came acroos the video Sharkster posted from the shoot out.... I'm going to post my run I did video and time slip. I have the same 60 foot 1.74sec .. my MPH is only 3 miles off (this run).. I am doing 125+mph as well. but my 1/4 time is 11.5 sec.... about 1/2 second slower.
I used 93 fuel with fvd level 4 computer at k24 turbos,5 bar fuel regulator,evo dv's, gt2 intercoolers. THATS IT. 19 inch rims with yokahamas AVS. That day the car was only pushing 1.0 bars.. thats 14.7 psi. In the video they are running 20 to 24 psi... thats well over 1.5 bars.... and he has the EVO 750hp. what I do not understand is why his car is only doing 126 or 127 MPH trap with that kind of HP. My average is 123 to 125 MPH @ 1 bar(14.7).
I'm not trying to start a controversy nor am I promoting a product.... I was waiting impatiently for the shoot out and thought someone would run in the mid 10's at least.... with cars that had well over 650 rwhp.
...any comments.... is ther something I need to know? The reason i'm actually asking is because I'm looking to upgrade to the 750HP package.
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Hi there,

A good question and nothing wrong with it.... I was running 1.4 bar but not with an auxillary fuel pump. Now I have that we'll see this weekend... It's still a learning process and especially so on the Tip. If you have a 6 speed then you'll have no worries at all with the 750HP packadge
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 07:16 PM
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General observation and thoughts.

It seems from the video that you are actually shallow staging your start? Maybe I'm not seeing the video correctly though. If the goal is the best ET stage back as far as possible and forget the reaction time.

I would think your car is capable of doing mid 10s easy and 130+ mph with your EVO package. We're getting high 11s in the 120+ mph range out of a stock 996tt X50 at 1400 ft above sea level.
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by greg schroeder
General observation and thoughts.

It seems from the video that you are actually shallow staging your start? Maybe I'm not seeing the video correctly though. If the goal is the best ET stage back as far as possible and forget the reaction time.

I would think your car is capable of doing mid 10s easy and 130+ mph with your EVO package. We're getting high 11s in the 120+ mph range out of a stock 996tt X50 at 1400 ft above sea level.
I've already trapped 133 before (with a soft launch so it was only 11.2). I'm not using drag radials or anything like that... Seeing as it's a Tip there are different issues and things to learn. It's a work-in-progress car at the moment.. We added the secondary fuel pump so we'll see what happens this week. It's not always easy to get the full amount of power on a drag strip... Traction might suck (which is another reason I was launching lightly) and then remember I've got so much -ive camber...
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 08:27 PM
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[i]It's not always easy to get the full amount of power on a drag strip..[/B]
Ive had similar problems..... it might be the fact that during pre staging there is no cold air ... and it takes more then 11 seconds to put cooler air into the intake.... thats why on the high way my car is very fast.... its already moving.
thanks for expanation.
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Old 12-16-2004 | 08:57 PM
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I actually need to refill the bottle of NOS (and spray the heck out of it) and use it this time That does make a difference but yeps sitting there at the line isn't the best

The problem with drag racing is everyone assumes it's easy and there end up being a lot of coulda, shoulda and woulda scenarios

I do find it useful to test stuff out with tho.. Gives you an idea.
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 08:59 PM
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Markski,
I too am a bit confused...it seems that for 700 plus hp, an easy 10 sec 1/4 would be doable. Especially with a 3500 lb 996TT.

Most drag calculators call out a trap of over 140 mph and a 1/4 of less than 10 seconds for 750 hp.

Based on the trap speed and times, the dyno or the conversion factors seems suspect.

What does a stock 996TT trun in the 1/4...??

Marc
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 09:07 PM
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Originally posted by marc@DEVEK
Markski,
I too am a bit confused...it seems that for 700 plus hp, an easy 10 sec 1/4 would be doable. Especially with a 3500 lb 996TT.

Most drag calculators call out a trap of over 140 mph and a 1/4 of less than 10 seconds for 750 hp.

Based on the trap speed and times, the dyno or the conversion factors seems suspect.

What does a stock 996TT trun in the 1/4...??

Marc
Ever tried to drag race a 996TT with street tires with 750 hp? As I said, coulda, shoulda etc... it isn't always that simple. EVO's car trapped in the 140s and IS capable of 9s but how do you get the power down? I have friends with Supras with 850 RWHP (on the dyno) and yet they still only do mid-high 11s @ 127. Of course they "should" do more... But that's why using those calculators is one thing and then running a real car, trying to launch it, different weather conditions, fuel etc... all makes the real world so different Just ask CJV, his car "should" be in the 9s but real-world drag racing isn't that simple as those calculators online, which do not take into account all the variables I mentioned above.

A stock 996 Turbo runs anywhere from 11.9-12.6 depending on who you believe in terms of the magazines. So to get the car from 12.4 in my case down to 11.05 (without full boost, yadda yadda yadda) isn't bad in my book.

The fastest yet recorded times have been 11.01 (EVO), 11.05 (me/EVO) and 11.09 (EVO). Of course there are cars capable of more. Then of course there was Tyson's old Turbo that did 10.8 or something last year (although people seem to want to dispute it because it wasn't at a drag strip).

Another perfect example of this scenario is the Car & Driver article with the 10,000HP shoot out from this month. The Henessy Viper and Lingenfelter Corvettes all with more Horsepower than any of our 996TTs still didn't break into the 10s. In fact, they were all slower than our low 11s....
 

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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:13 PM
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Sharkey - For crying out loud... Get rid of the negative camber and put on some slicks why don't ya!!!
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:22 PM
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Originally posted by Zippy
Sharkey - For crying out loud... Get rid of the negative camber and put on some slicks why don't ya!!!
But that'd be too easy
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by Zippy
Sharkey - For crying out loud... Get rid of the negative camber and put on some slicks why don't ya!!!
LOL I know I promise I will.. To be frank I wanted to try out the EXACT same set up I had at the shoot out to give me a rough idea So with that in mind at the shoot out, I "could" have run an 11.05...
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:52 PM
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Is saturday on again?
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:56 PM
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Is saturday on again?
Let me check with my agent Fred:P

But so far yes Just gonna go...
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 10:59 PM
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Let Fred organize it this time
 
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Old 12-16-2004 | 11:10 PM
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Let Fred organize it this time
For sure, I know I suck

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