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Old 01-19-2010 | 08:56 PM
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Sounds like a good reason not to give rides.
 
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Old 01-19-2010 | 09:06 PM
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Chad,
I agree as sad as it is. I think those that knew Ben would say that that was not an option for Ben. He was all about sharing his passion. Tragic end to a very fruitful life.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by cjv
Sounds like a good reason not to give rides.
Sad, but true. Both families have gone through a horrible situation that I cannot fathom. If it makes anyone feel better, I'm assuming Ben had liability insurance that probably ate up a portion of that $4.5MM settlement. I can understand Corey's widow wanting to take any steps necessary to provide for her children given the loss of a bread winner. At the same time, it can seem wrong that she's taking that money from another family, given that her husband voluntarily got into that car. The bottom line is that everyone lost here. I hope both families are able to move on as best as possible, at some point, and the tragic loss of these guys' lives may lead to increased safety at events like this in the future. RIP.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 06:38 AM
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Most people with accumulated wealth carry umbrella liability policys. This will cover accidents that surpass your auto insurance liability amounts.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 07:23 AM
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I am not sure if this will be popular or not. In the end it doesn't change a thing and this thread proves it.
I have a CDL and all my endorsements except Haz-Mat. I let it go cause I don't like having to take the test every 2 years when I have never used it.
That being said when you study for your CDL and then train in a truck before you drive, you are told this over and over. “ As the Driver of the vehicle you are responsible for everything in that vehicle. “ Regardless of what happens it is all going to come back on you! Don't let some1 influence you in the decisions you make as the driver, because in the end if something goes wrong it will be you held accountable. I learned this w/ only the loss of a little $ and nothing else even though I was told this over and over.
Driving to San Diego, CA. 1 day while still in running as a team before I got my own truck the trainer told me to get into the middle lane and pass a few of the slower trucks. Now the law says I could only stay in the far right lane but because he was the trainer I let him influence me and I moved over safely and passed a few of the slower trucks. I was only in the lane a few miles and a few minutes. Yet, I had blue lights behind me and so I pulled over. The trainer tried to say it was his fault that he told me to do it. The cop finally told him to shut up or go to jail; he then gave me a ticket that cost me $375.00. I learned what I should have already known; if you are driving you are at fault, period!
Please think about that and this thread when you have a friend or family w/ you in your cars. We are very fortunate to have the opportunity to drive 1 of the most recognizable and wanted cars in the world. Just remember if you are in an accident the other person and their attorney are going to see the word Porsche and think you must have a lot of $$$$$ so you can afford to pay them some of it.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 10:46 AM
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It does not matter what rights you waive through a consent form. If negligent behavior occurs (according to laws we vote into action) liability is assigned. Why blame the wife who lost her husband? Do we know she would rather have the 4.5 million (less 33% lawyer fees) than her sole mate. What about the kids that now have not dad? Maybe she needs the money because her husband was the bread winner of the family and now she needs to at least maintain the status quo.

I am in a similar situation. I have cancer and my treatment and case was mismanaged by a Harvard trained oncologist. The Dr. admitted on record that he made critical mistakes at key decision points. Does that mean my wife should not hold him and the hospital liable?
 
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I do not understand situations like this. There was once a day when people would realize that things happen in life and one assumes liability when making choices in life. Unfortunately there seems to be a finger pointing epedemic going on in this country today. This was an unfortunate event that was simply made much worse by this frivolous suit... Situations like this make me feel uneasy about the future of our nation.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Gungriffin
I do not understand situations like this. There was once a day when people would realize that things happen in life and one assumes liability when making choices in life. Unfortunately there seems to be a finger pointing epedemic going on in this country today. This was an unfortunate event that was simply made much worse by this frivolous suit... Situations like this make me feel uneasy about the future of our nation.
I agee in some cases but the F430 was given the OK to proceed. I am not saying to stop this type of evebts. I run my car too. But someone made a big mistake. Should single guys without kids be the only ones who can sign up for these events? I have been racing all of my life, bikes, motorcycles and cars. Seen a lot of cr$p over the years.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 04:59 PM
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I have an umbrella policy to cover myself and my family should I ever be put in a situation like this. Bottom line is it was a tragic set of circumstances.

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Horrible all around. If I was the passenger, I would hope my wife would take whatever steps necessary, including the ones in this suit, to make sure my children were taken care of at a level that I would have done myself. This is exactly why we carry insurance. That doesn't mean finger-pointing; it means taking the most appropriate avenue to reach an end result.

There are no winners here, no matter the outcome of the suits. In the end, each party must do whatever they have to do to minimize the hardship going forward.

I guess I'm just confused as to why the track/track employees aren't shouldering more of the liability.
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 08:00 PM
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Unless I am wrong and I may very well be, I thought the event did not allow passengers unless it was in instructor. If that is the case than Ben was wrong whether you like it or not and was at fault. Even if the track people waved the Ferrari on the track Cory should not have been in the CGT
 
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Old 01-20-2010 | 08:20 PM
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You may have passengers in these events so long as you have been certified to do so. If the officials who were running the event on that day let him get on to the track with a passenger and without the proper credentials, the track is negligent. The driver was wrong to do so but not negligent.

Another example, if a cow wondered onto the track instead of a car and he hit the cow the track is still negligent. No one waved the cow onto the track. But because the track is conducting an event that allows car to reach 150MPH it also has a fiduciary responsibility to the drivers that it will maintain a closed circuit without obstructions.
 
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Note to wife: If I am ever killed in an accident with a friend, please do not sue friend's widow. Stuff happens, money will not bring me back.

Look at Haiti and consider yourself lucky.
 
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Old 01-21-2010 | 06:41 AM
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Note to wife: If I am ever killed in an accident with a friend, please do not sue friend's widow. Stuff happens, money will not bring me back.

Look at Haiti and consider yourself lucky.
Note to wife: if I am ever killed in an accident with a friend, WHILE I'M THE PASSENGER AND THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES OUT OF MY CONTROL AND OCCUR DUE TO THE LIABILITY/NEGLIGENCE OF OTHERS, please don't sue my friend's widow. I'D PREFER YOU DRASTICALLY CHANGE YOUR LIFESTYLE, CAUSE MY CHILDREN TO SUFFER, AND ALLOW THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACCIDENT TO MOVE ON WITH LIFE. Stuff happens - TOO BAD FOR YOU AND THE KIDS. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANYONE INVOLVED HAVE AN INSURANCE CLAIM TO HELP SUPPORT THE FAMILY.

Your statement about Haiti is the height of ignorance. Why don't you call the widow and kids and ask if they feel lucky in light of the earthquake? Accidents do happen - that doesn't mean everyone is absolved of all fault and liability.
 
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Old 01-21-2010 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by vip gts
Note to wife: If I am ever killed in an accident with a friend, please do not sue friend's widow. Stuff happens, money will not bring me back.

Look at Haiti and consider yourself lucky.
Haiti was a natural disaster, pretty huge difference there sport. Might as well throw in the Holocaust while your at
 


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