GT2 vs 996TT: Why buy the one you did?
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01-08-2005 | 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Benjamin Choi
If money is a non-factor, I'd always buy the car that's better stock-for-stock. All that aftermarket performance add on is way too hardcore for me and a shot in the dark. You just can't put a price on a factory-tuned car. Especially when Porsche engineers are involved. That's just my preference.
GT2 over any modded 996 Turbo any day of the week. Heck, I'd pick it out alone for its superior looks. Plus, it's a lot more rare. A lot more.
If money is a non-factor, I'd always buy the car that's better stock-for-stock. All that aftermarket performance add on is way too hardcore for me and a shot in the dark. You just can't put a price on a factory-tuned car. Especially when Porsche engineers are involved. That's just my preference.
GT2 over any modded 996 Turbo any day of the week. Heck, I'd pick it out alone for its superior looks. Plus, it's a lot more rare. A lot more.
If money is no object then why fool with any of the above. Buy a Dauer 962.
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01-08-2005 | 02:42 PM
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Thanks for all the informative replies guys.
To all:
I guess I should've added this question in my original post,
I wondered about the benefits to the AWD system.
I was pretty sure that is was more of a 'safety' feature, and not for handling, corner handling that is, not the horsepower type!
Chad:
I was sure you were going to say the Carrera GT, not the
Dauer 962.
As I said before, thanks for sharing.
Scott
Modesto, CA
To all:
I guess I should've added this question in my original post,
I wondered about the benefits to the AWD system.
I was pretty sure that is was more of a 'safety' feature, and not for handling, corner handling that is, not the horsepower type!
Chad:
I was sure you were going to say the Carrera GT, not the
Dauer 962.
As I said before, thanks for sharing.
Scott
Modesto, CA
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01-08-2005 | 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by cnc
The TT was not very satisfying (dumbs down the driver), and the GT2 is thrilling!
If you want "training wheels" then try the Gt3
The TT was not very satisfying (dumbs down the driver), and the GT2 is thrilling!
If you want "training wheels" then try the Gt3
The GT2 is one incredible car. In fact, I don't miss the old Turbo much. It makes me smile with glee every time I drive it. It's a phenomenal car and truly one of the most underrated Porsches.
Chad, you are partially correct about being able to retrofit GT2 parts on a Turbo. But like I said before, I doubt you have the GT2 uprights/wheel carriers, as these do not fit on an AWD Turbo.
Your project is quite the experiment, however, it seems that at least in Germany, all the fastest tuned 996's are in fact based on rear wheel drive. Perhaps you should run the car against Manthey and Alzen in the next 24H Nurburgring?
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01-08-2005 | 08:04 PM
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If you have the opportunity to drive, or even see the two on a track together it will be very clear that they were each built for a specific purpose. While the 996 turbo is a wonderful street car, it does not allow the driver to encourage race track behavior. If you will be tracking the car at all, get the GT2. There are no mods to the 996 turbo that will match the "handling" capabilities of a GT2.
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01-08-2005 | 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by Hamann7
The GT3 is hardly a "training wheels" version. It's two different cars. The GT3-RS is an incredibly fast car, look at its time on the 'Ring and at Hockenheim.
The GT2 is one incredible car. In fact, I don't miss the old Turbo much. It makes me smile with glee every time I drive it. It's a phenomenal car and truly one of the most underrated Porsches.
Chad, you are partially correct about being able to retrofit GT2 parts on a Turbo. But like I said before, I doubt you have the GT2 uprights/wheel carriers, as these do not fit on an AWD Turbo.
Your project is quite the experiment, however, it seems that at least in Germany, all the fastest tuned 996's are in fact based on rear wheel drive. Perhaps you should run the car against Manthey and Alzen in the next 24H Nurburgring?
The GT3 is hardly a "training wheels" version. It's two different cars. The GT3-RS is an incredibly fast car, look at its time on the 'Ring and at Hockenheim.
The GT2 is one incredible car. In fact, I don't miss the old Turbo much. It makes me smile with glee every time I drive it. It's a phenomenal car and truly one of the most underrated Porsches.
Chad, you are partially correct about being able to retrofit GT2 parts on a Turbo. But like I said before, I doubt you have the GT2 uprights/wheel carriers, as these do not fit on an AWD Turbo.
Your project is quite the experiment, however, it seems that at least in Germany, all the fastest tuned 996's are in fact based on rear wheel drive. Perhaps you should run the car against Manthey and Alzen in the next 24H Nurburgring?
KA was not built as an endurance car.
However she would walk (and has walked) a GT3RS coming out of Infineon turns in the hands of a professional driver. I would welcome a best time one lap shootout against any of the above tuners you named so long as the course was not an extremely tight and slow course. Chances are it would never happen. They have too much to lose.
As for my front uprights and wheel carriers, they are not GT2 nor are they turbo. They were custom manufacturered and machined by TRG.
Also don't forget, we have defeated the TB shutdown and a 2wd just doesn't stand a chance against an awd on anything but a very tight turn.
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01-08-2005 | 08:59 PM
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Chad, I'm sure Jurgen Alzen would be happy to happy to challenge you around one lap. Actually, forget Alzen for a second, there is a car being built by 911 Design that would give KA a good run for the money.... Perhaps you should setup a race against Loren Beggs' new turbo monster based on a 996 GT3 Cup car?
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
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01-08-2005 | 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Chad, I'm sure Jurgen Alzen would be happy to happy to challenge you around one lap. Actually, forget Alzen for a second, there is a car being built by 911 Design that would give KA a good run for the money.... Perhaps you should setup a race against Loren Beggs' new turbo monster based on a 996 GT3 Cup car?
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
Chad, I'm sure Jurgen Alzen would be happy to happy to challenge you around one lap. Actually, forget Alzen for a second, there is a car being built by 911 Design that would give KA a good run for the money.... Perhaps you should setup a race against Loren Beggs' new turbo monster based on a 996 GT3 Cup car?
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
TRG does in fact have certain suspension parts of their own. The first time I picked up KA, the front was 3/8" off the ground. She would scrap on a little road construction repair. 
We raised her another 1" for street use. After all, that is her primary usage. As for the awd, the only reason that I can see why Porsche does not use it is there is no important racing venue where the rules allow for it's usage. If it was allow it's usage, the speeds attained in corners would become very dangerous.
And Tyson, there is one more condition. KA was built to be street legal. In doing so we have had to sacrifice performance in certain areas. If these other cars can pass smog and sound requirements then I'm definitly game.
KA can. That is .......... when the nitrous bottle is removed. 
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01-09-2005 | 02:34 AM
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Originally posted by Hamann7
Chad, I'm sure Jurgen Alzen would be happy to happy to challenge you around one lap. Actually, forget Alzen for a second, there is a car being built by 911 Design that would give KA a good run for the money.... Perhaps you should setup a race against Loren Beggs' new turbo monster based on a 996 GT3 Cup car?
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
Chad, I'm sure Jurgen Alzen would be happy to happy to challenge you around one lap. Actually, forget Alzen for a second, there is a car being built by 911 Design that would give KA a good run for the money.... Perhaps you should setup a race against Loren Beggs' new turbo monster based on a 996 GT3 Cup car?
As for your uprights and wheel carriers, I am curious as to know the specifications... is the suspension mounting point and geometry similar to the GT3-R? I never knew Kevin Buckler did his own fabrication for suspension parts, I thought he went to companies like ERP?
By the way, I think you have too much faith in Porsche's AWD system. But, we will see if you really did outdo Porsche's own engineers.
It seems like what you are saying is that KA is even faster than a fully race prepped GT3-RSR. Well, once the car is ready, the world will be waiting.
By the way, the Alzen Motorsport 996 Turbo is way faster than a GT3-RS. It set the lap record for the 24H Nurburgring during qualifying.
Dave
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01-09-2005 | 09:05 PM
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i n truth i wanted a gt2, i couldnt afford it, even used i still cant afford it, the gt3, i would have gotten one at the price.. but there are no back seats in any of the gt cars... im gonna start a afamily soon so whewre would i put my kid in the trunk lol.. also i got a great deal on a 02 TT
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