Oh crap, it's time!!
#136
04-27-2010, 07:09 PM
I'm not sure what you were getting out of my post...
I don't personally feel that the 996turbo is on par with the GT-R. I realize that was the standard, but it has been surpassed, and we've all moved on - including Porsche. With the new PDK (with all of the 'nannies') is proving to be a better performing car (based on information I've read/seen). I think the 997tt would've been a great comparo to the GT-R.
As you've pointed out, the 996 is aging. It is not the current car that Porsche offers. Why not go against the latest vs latest?
But still - my point was - this is driver vs driver, not car vs car.
*edit: What is the estimated WHP of the 911? (which is almost irrelevant when it comes to handling courses)
I don't personally feel that the 996turbo is on par with the GT-R. I realize that was the standard, but it has been surpassed, and we've all moved on - including Porsche. With the new PDK (with all of the 'nannies') is proving to be a better performing car (based on information I've read/seen). I think the 997tt would've been a great comparo to the GT-R.
As you've pointed out, the 996 is aging. It is not the current car that Porsche offers. Why not go against the latest vs latest?
But still - my point was - this is driver vs driver, not car vs car.
*edit: What is the estimated WHP of the 911? (which is almost irrelevant when it comes to handling courses)
Kind of like Best Motoring, and whichever other magazine put the modded GT-R vs the 996 TT in Europe? They'll take what they can get.
If the GT-R is so far and beyond a 996 Turbo, a few insignificant mods should not be that big of a deal now should it? How many posts on Nagtroc when a stock GT-R loses to a GT2, ACR, ZR-1 etc. say, "I bet it would win with COBB AP.
If you think hp is irrelevant, go drive a miata...........
If you look around, you'll see that there is significant evidence and a very good argument given that the 996 TT could very well beat the 997 (997.1) TT with the same hp around most circuits.
#138
04-27-2010, 10:12 PM
Welcome to 6speed Adam! I recall some of your posts from the early Nagtroc days and seem to remember you as one of the pioneers there. I find it quite disappointing how the NT guys have turned on you. I hope you stick around here as I think you will actually find more camaraderie here.
I deserved a little jerking around for not driving better ;-)
It's not much of a consolation that a Mustang beat both mine and Enirque's time. Tight "autocross-ish" tracks really punish those a bit out of practice, such as myself. (ran the cones a bit in college a long time ago).
Thanks for the welcome.
#139
04-27-2010, 10:15 PM
Adam,
What do you think about my idea of doing some heads up roll on racing in Goliad (where they hold the Tx Mile).
It would go from the 1/4 mile mark to the 3/4 mile mark, from 40 mph to 160?
They only limit would be that the cars must have a stock block, bolt on mods only.
What do you think about my idea of doing some heads up roll on racing in Goliad (where they hold the Tx Mile).
It would go from the 1/4 mile mark to the 3/4 mile mark, from 40 mph to 160?
They only limit would be that the cars must have a stock block, bolt on mods only.
Spending fair amount of time in both P-Cars and GT-R's the GT-R's primary asset over the Porsche is high speed stability, and the ability to get into the gas far sooner (due to a better sorted AWD system, wider longer track and more mechanical grip). On straight away roll ons, the GT-R can't get past the fact the 911 is lighter with similar or more power.
#140
04-27-2010, 10:18 PM
(flamed here, justified there). Everything is a matter of perspective and it's hard to imagine "real people" on the other side of the keyboard when you're just reading a forum.
#141
04-28-2010, 05:42 AM
Very true. The three GTR owners I have met seemed very nice.
The fact is the GTR is a cool car. But if these jokers don't realize what it is the Turbo represents then they need a lesson in racing history. And I am not talking Drag Racing history.
#142
04-28-2010, 06:22 AM
A Roll on with the worse race for a GT-R. As an owner of a GT-R I can say that decent QTR mile times are the byproduct of Nissan's design philosophy with the car, not it's goal, and that shows in the QTR ET. Do a roll on and the GT-R looses the only advantage it has (traction).
Spending fair amount of time in both P-Cars and GT-R's the GT-R's primary asset over the Porsche is high speed stability, and the ability to get into the gas far sooner (due to a better sorted AWD system, wider longer track and more mechanical grip). On straight away roll ons, the GT-R can't get past the fact the 911 is lighter with similar or more power.
Spending fair amount of time in both P-Cars and GT-R's the GT-R's primary asset over the Porsche is high speed stability, and the ability to get into the gas far sooner (due to a better sorted AWD system, wider longer track and more mechanical grip). On straight away roll ons, the GT-R can't get past the fact the 911 is lighter with similar or more power.
However the car I will be running ran in the 9's and trapped 148, so I need every advantage possible.
#143
04-28-2010, 07:03 AM
Almost nothing else you said in your post made sense to me. I think we are discussing two different points.
I DO drive a Miata for auto-x's.
HP doesn't matter as much there.
I've gotten a better time from the Miata than my GT-R on the same course before (and the other way around - it depends on the cone setup).
I DO drive a Miata for auto-x's.
HP doesn't matter as much there.
I've gotten a better time from the Miata than my GT-R on the same course before (and the other way around - it depends on the cone setup).
#144
04-28-2010, 07:48 AM
Almost nothing else you said in your post made sense to me. I think we are discussing two different points.
I DO drive a Miata for auto-x's.
HP doesn't matter as much there.
I've gotten a better time from the Miata than my GT-R on the same course before (and the other way around - it depends on the cone setup).
I DO drive a Miata for auto-x's.
HP doesn't matter as much there.
I've gotten a better time from the Miata than my GT-R on the same course before (and the other way around - it depends on the cone setup).
Who said anything about an auto-x?
#147
04-28-2010, 09:35 AM
Either you're purposely straying from the topic, or missing the point.
HP isn't everything. Will R-comps help cornering? 'Yes' or 'no' will do just fine.
HP isn't everything. Will R-comps help cornering? 'Yes' or 'no' will do just fine.
#148
04-28-2010, 10:17 AM
First HP means nothing, now HP isnt's everything. Way to slowly backpedal out of that statement........
#149
04-28-2010, 10:48 AM
However, you still didn't answer my question:
I'll repeat it (because rephrasing seems to confuse you):
Will R-comps help cornering? 'Yes' or 'no' will do just fine.
#150
04-28-2010, 10:55 AM
I wasn't back pedalling... I was rephrasing because I didn't realize I'd be quoted for literal definitions. I know you got my point.
However, you still didn't answer my question:
I'll repeat it (because rephrasing seems to confuse you):
Will R-comps help cornering? 'Yes' or 'no' will do just fine.
However, you still didn't answer my question:
I'll repeat it (because rephrasing seems to confuse you):
Will R-comps help cornering? 'Yes' or 'no' will do just fine.
YOU said HP is irrelevant, that's a strong statement and absolutely untrue now matter how literal you take it.