You are aware that a 996 GT2 ran 2:18's on PS2's with nothing but a flash and Motons though aren't you? One of our very own in fact. And there are more comparisons to come between a similarly modded (actually somewhat less) 996 TT to that very GT-R. Stay Tuned.

GT3's will have a hard time at Sebring because of the long straights. Get a Porsche with some oomph in the back and it's a different story.

In fact that same GT-R ran a 1:32 at Road Atlanta on R888's with 527 whp (dyno dynamics), aeromotions wing and JRZ 3-ways with half the interior out. I ran 1:32 with MPSC, a flash/exhaust on K24's, JIC and a rear sway, on stock wheels, fully stock interior. BTW I made 439 whp on the same dyno in RWD vs the 527 in AWD.

 

Adam,

What do you think about my idea of doing some heads up roll on racing in Goliad (where they hold the Tx Mile).

It would go from the 1/4 mile mark to the 3/4 mile mark, from 40 mph to 160?

They only limit would be that the cars must have a stock block, bolt on mods only.

 

Welcome to 6speed Adam! I recall some of your posts from the early Nagtroc days and seem to remember you as one of the pioneers there. I find it quite disappointing how the NT guys have turned on you. I hope you stick around here as I think you will actually find more camaraderie here.

 

Hey Eclou, welcome to the 6, there can only be one winner, it wasn't like it was a blowout, thank you both for the video, fun to wait and watch. BTW you buddies over at GTR site seem like a very bitter group of kids

 

The issue I see is - it isn't 996 vs GT-R, it's driver vs driver.

The cars are about equal (not exactly, but close enough).

Just like the Mustang and ZR-1 that the GT-R driver mentioned.

Although, cool to watch - means absolutely nothing (I don't care who won).

 

I agree with jaspergtr, there is really no point to this. The race was between those TWO CARs and TWO DRIVERs; and we cannot generalize if 996TT or GT-R is a better car.

There is no such thing as equally mod’d cars. If you take the mods and drivers out of the equation, you will end up with two stock cars with a single driver… which many car shows/magazines had already done. However, even with a single driver on the same car, there will be differences on every lap time. When you have a single driver driving both cars (with similar performance), the result should be… the car that is easier to drive will get better time which is GT-R in most cases. Though, many magazine car drivers stated that they would prefer to drive the Pcars over the GT-Rs because of the excitement.

The world will keep turning, and some GT-R will get beaten by TT and some TT will get beaten by GT-R… this will be a never ending battle. Maybe we should just “play a friendly game of chess”.

 

Please sign neg reps.

*(unless it's not your fault, and you were born without a spine)

 

I disagree, there lots of cars that are equally modded. But what I call equally modded is taking two cars that are already similar and adding the same mods to them.

If you take a 996 TT and a GT-R and flash/exhaust, coilover, weight reduction (in similar amounts to) both of them, you've done equal mods to each car. That is equally modded. The GT-R and Porsche Turbo are alike enough that the results of those things are similar.

However truly "equalizing" the cars would allow sequentials, lsd's etc etc in both cars, and that's a product of competition.

 

Hey heavychevy,
I was just trying to get my point across with no argument intended.

 

Yeah... This has devolved into another useless "Porsche is better than Nissan/The GTR/The Porsche TT sucks" pissing contest.. The basic fact is that Enrique (F1Crazydriver) was the better driver, pure and simple.. Actual driving talent will overcome an average driver in ANY street Car, no matter how many driver aids it has...

I think my real issue is that the majority of owners that have never taken their Cars to a roadcourse, have no idea how much driving skill makes a difference..

The number of times I have seen newbies come to the track with their Viper/Ferrari Scuderia/GT3/GTR/ZO6 and be utterly convinced they will "blow away" everything on the track... then promptly get passed by 5 guys driving spec Miatas at full bore through the corners... It's a great experience for some of my students, because only THEN do they realize that you can have the fastest, most technologically advanced Car ever built, yet if you haven't learned any REAL driving skills on the track, then indeed a very well driven Miata WILL be faster around a track like Sears Point/Infineon than a ZO6/Viper/GTR driven by an average Car enthusiast with no training.

The bottom line is that instead of whining, I am disappointed that the NATROG guys couldn't at least say "well done... good driving Enrique" or something similar. Enrique is a good guy and an extremely good driver... THAT is why he won, not the fact that his Car is slightly modded (and I bet that even with the tune etc, he's STILL down on HP to the GTR).

My 2c...

 

I actually started liking the GTR. It has grown on me, but the attitude I saw over at Nagtroc is enough for me not to have one, in addition to the trans. I like Manual trannies even if they are slower than dual clutch trannies

 

^ I believe the consensus was - it was 'Forum Wars'.

Who nominated him and that scenario to represent an entire forum?

Would you enjoy representation without a vote?

*edit: And what I read is, what was wrong with getting a stock GT-R vs a stock 911? If you want to compare cars, wouldn't one do this?

 

+1 EXACTLY! Driver vs driver. This has NOTHING to do with GT-R vs 911, and less to do with NAGTROC vs 6Speed.

BUT, with more power, less weight (including the passenger), and better tires, one could easily speculate the 911 had an advantage before the clock even began with this sort of 'track' (I have a hard time calling it that).

 

A stock 10 year old Porsche Turbo vs a 2-3 year old GT-R with sequential shifters, more hp, more nannies, more "advanced" suspension, aero, awd, torque vectoring, electronically controlled suspsension and the list goes on...........

And you're crying about stock vs stock when all he did was equalize the hp some??


That's like the guys who show up at the track in Cup Cars, ACR's, Ford GT's, Z06's, GT3's or whatever and then cry about how their car is stock when a simple bolt-on Evo scrapes the floor with them. I could understand if this was a 500-600 whp Turbo with Moton's and so on, but comon, really?

 

While we are still arguing about 99_TT vs. GTR, Porsche moves on with the hybrid 918 and racing hybrids at the 'ring. They are looking toward the future and the survival of high performance sports cars in the green "brave new world".