BMW forum trash talking and Drag race vids...
#331
Everyone knows 6xx can be done on the stock motor as was stated. Did you miss all the talk about going over this range is asking for trouble? What about all that talk about doing the "rods" as an insurance policy? You can probably hit some nice peak numbers on the dyno but it won't last. You are just ignoring the history of built and blown motors here.
Try opening up your intake and using your brain for two seconds.
Last edited by Divexxtreme; 07-02-2010 at 01:19 PM.
#332
This is fun.
You guys do know about the east coast BMW's that trap 154+mph and have gone 9.62?? From what I recall that there's only 1 Porsche faster which is Bellos. The 9.62 e30 is going back with more hp soon.
You guys do know about the east coast BMW's that trap 154+mph and have gone 9.62?? From what I recall that there's only 1 Porsche faster which is Bellos. The 9.62 e30 is going back with more hp soon.
#333
#334
A bad tune or the wrong fuel will cause a motor to blow regardless of how much power it's making. Do you know how many Supras have had blown motors over the years? Does those failures mean that the MKIV motor isn't one of the storngest engines ever out in a production car? Using aftermarket rods on ANY motor at ANY power level is an insurance policy.
Try opening up your intake and using your brain for two seconds!
Try opening up your intake and using your brain for two seconds!
I haven't followed the MKIV in a long time and just don't browse supraforums much anymore. Back when I wanted one I did so you can go ahead and let me know how you feel about it.
#335
The disparity isn't quite as great as some would make it out to be We will see, that BMW is going for 8's now. If anyone wants the build thread I will provide it.
#336
Porsche has great ring times and far better performing stock cars, this is no shock to anyone. BMW has far better all around cars and a much more diverse lineup, no shock to anyone. If anything, Porsche is beginning to imitate BMW.
If you base your opinion of a car on its straight line performance and power potential, then you sure are correct. Although Domestics are king of that domain so why are we not all in them?
Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
I'm not too keen on the domestic platforms (except maybe the Ford GT), although they can make HUGE power. Too many other issues to deal with. I know this from experience.
#337
#338
From this forum? Are you really advocating the stock rods are good for 868 whp and the motor is going to last for something more than peak dyno pulls?
I mean, Protomotive seems to believe that once you start getting out of that 6xx whp range you are pushing it on the stock rods. Maybe they don't know what they are talking about?
Hey Dr. Jitsu, I want to know why you have conflicting opinions.
You state at about 540 whp you have another 100 whp before you risk the rods:
Now when trying to play up the 996tt vs. the BMW all off a sudden the motor is fine at over 800 whp? Hmmm... What was that about ignorance again?
You state at about 540 whp you have another 100 whp before you risk the rods:
Now when trying to play up the 996tt vs. the BMW all off a sudden the motor is fine at over 800 whp? Hmmm... What was that about ignorance again?
I love them. I really do. I've owned an E30 M3 as well as an E46. Those cars are in addition to the 15+ my father cycled through as I was growing up. They make a fantastic car and as long as I am alive there probably won't be too much time that lapses between my stints of BMW ownership. However, They are not best all around car in the world and I'd say that regardless of what car I have in the garage be it a Kia or a Ferrari.
not blind support. but supreme respect. Most of us have seen what these cars can do and have not seen any other car that can do it. I have personally witnessed tons of porsches going well over 200k miles. Not easy miles either. Porsche truly is the Toyota of the supercar world. They are fast and supremely reliable, which is often mutually exclusive.
#339
Well, perhaps early on it was a little of both but I think we have a clearly established history to know by now when you are starting to push your luck and I stand by that.
#340
Everyone knows 6xx can be done on the stock motor as was stated. Did you miss all the talk about going over this range is asking for trouble? What about all that talk about doing the "rods" as an insurance policy? You can probably hit some nice peak numbers on the dyno but it won't last. You are just ignoring the history of built and blown motors here?
I'm sorry if this is all too difficult for you to process but perhaps you should avoid reading it if your cognitive abilities are maxed from what I would consider a benign exchange? Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I have seen from you thus far I don't put much credence in your opinions on the thinking abilities of others. If these last few sentences make your brain melt, I apologize.
I'm sorry if this is all too difficult for you to process but perhaps you should avoid reading it if your cognitive abilities are maxed from what I would consider a benign exchange? Don't take this the wrong way, but from what I have seen from you thus far I don't put much credence in your opinions on the thinking abilities of others. If these last few sentences make your brain melt, I apologize.
I really don't understand how you can't grasp that. You've been a long time member here. You are obviously fairly active and an enthusiast. The tuning for these cars is evolving much as it has for your platform. 600whp is childsplay for these motors nowadays. ITS A FACT.
#341
No, pretty much all of your posts are a debate between BMW and Porsche. If they weren't, you wouldn't have even posted in this thread in the first place. You are angry that a P-car beat a highly modified BMW. Period. Most of us in here have figured you out.
"Far-better all-around cars"? By that you must you mean cars with more seats and cars that start out in the $30k range, because that's all BMW offers over Porsche. More seats (7-series) and cheaper cars.
"Far-better all-around cars"? By that you must you mean cars with more seats and cars that start out in the $30k range, because that's all BMW offers over Porsche. More seats (7-series) and cheaper cars.
Well, it seems you have a real desire to try and prove Porsche is better or something. I think most people here understand they are different cars/approaches for different tastes. BMW not only offers some more affordable cars but a greater variety of cars for a greater variety of people. They also at one time offered the best naturally aspirated motor range in the business but that has come to an end unfortunately. Heh, at least BMW doesn't have an outdated chassis design to protect like Porsche does by forcefully restricting the Cayman from stepping on the 911's toes, eh?
I also suppose if you are a fan of a VW bug on steroids Porsche has BMW beat there. Depends on your perspective eh?
#342
Not much more to say. It's clear that Curi0 can't make any points that stick. That said; I need to head to the DMV and re-new my license before it gets too packed.
See you guys...
See you guys...
Last edited by Divexxtreme; 07-02-2010 at 01:32 PM.
#343
Motors haven't been blowing at those levels unless there was extenuating circumstances for sometime now. I am not ignoring any history of blown motors here but I am evaluating and acknowledging the facts and circumstances behind those motors letting go.
I really don't understand how you can't grasp that. You've been a long time member here. You are obviously fairly active and an enthusiast. The tuning for these cars is evolving much as it has for your platform. 600whp is childsplay for these motors nowadays. ITS A FACT.
I really don't understand how you can't grasp that. You've been a long time member here. You are obviously fairly active and an enthusiast. The tuning for these cars is evolving much as it has for your platform. 600whp is childsplay for these motors nowadays. ITS A FACT.
I'm active and I'm an enthusiast now? Just a second ago I was an illogical idiot. Porsche tuning sure does progress quickly!
#344
#345
Heh, at least BMW doesn't have an outdated chassis design to protect like Porsche does by forcefully restricting the Cayman from stepping on the 911's toes, eh?
I also suppose if you are a fan of a VW bug on steroids Porsche has BMW beat there. Depends on your perspective eh?
I also suppose if you are a fan of a VW bug on steroids Porsche has BMW beat there. Depends on your perspective eh?
One last thing before I go: 997GT2RS - 7:18 around the 'ring. So much for that "outdated chassis".
Go VW!