Im defiitely leaning to driver as well, the gears need to be banged out to redline and shifted quickly. The car you ran was he running pump/meth or race/meth?

If he was running pump/meth he is supposed to be making 600whp at 6krpm pretty much flat to 8k rpm. So the powercurve is actually there, if he shifts ar redline he should start the next gear at around 6000-6500 rpm. So at all times he should be making 600whp, which is about 140whp more then your car (im guessing). Thats definitely enough to pull away. You might want to ask him if he has dyno'd recently and if his car is running right.

 

We will see but it isn't really fair to put all that pressure on yourself. Clearly all the power is there, just a matter of using it. Your tire setup looks great though.

I agree, the new M3 really is opening eyes early and the E46 just needs needs to get the setup figures out like the E36. Part of the problem is that no one has tried a bias-ply drag tire.

 

This is true, nobody has tried a true power to the ground setup. I was almost getting a setup with CCW but didnt want to spend the 2500 dollars or so at the time. I think with the tires I have on the car now, i can manage to get numbers the car deserves. As for all the other turbo E46 M3's they have to prepare for races and numbers. You cant just go out and run it, unfortunately most of the turbo E46 guys don't know much about street racing and how it actually requires tactics! Ive learned from my supercharger days and the Audi guys. And as far as 60-130 numbers, its difficult, you cant go out there and run it with no prep. Its gotta be a nice road, nice weather, nice elevation, good tires, good fuel, start at the right rpm, drive well into redline, bang the gears hard (powershift) and hold the gear to redline (130mph is redline in 4th in most of the E46 M3's). RaceMX-M3 understands this and that is why he has a very impressive 60-130 time. His time alone should be indicative enough for these cars.



I thnk since the Porsche has much better traction, times have been much easier to produce. Also its gearing seems like it is much more forgiving.

 

Pump/ Meth....I tucked him behind him at first to see if I detected race gas. I thought he was only putting down about 570 or so RWHP on pump with his setup but I could be wrong. My tuner also works on his car, and he thought thats what he remembered. The car was strong, in fact I actually used some roll racing tricks on him....he pulled a car out immediately...and was gaining another half or so. I baited him down to where he would have to shift pretty soon.

I pulled back close to even at the shift, and pulled out probably about a car or two through 160 mph. Normally I would have crushed him but I was naked that night.

 

Not sure if anyone has discussed the drag coef. differences between the M and P. This may be a huge factor at speed.

 

Good idea. I dont know much about drag coefficients and how much difference in numbers is needed to make a difference in a race. BUT from what i researched the e46 M3 and 996tt have the same drag coefficient! I may be wrong so someone correct me if so.

Edit some places state the E46 M3 drag co. is .32 and some say .33. Some say the 996tt is .32 and some say .31. Regardless the two seem very close even though the 996tt's shape looks more aerodynamic.

 

Correct the e36 does molest many newer cars.

 

60-130 is all about power, 1/4 as you guys already said is all about the driver. The 996/997's are running the fastest 60-130's when comparing these two cars. Unless you just ran a 4 seconds flat in your car, let us know.

 

what is the fastest an SCM3 has run in the Texas Mile?

 

I've seen his videos. It runs like a car that traps 131 with extremely fast shifts. As a matter of fact, if money were no object, I'd have a Gintani E92 in my garage along with my GT2 (plus a few other cars).

In the below video, he's running MS109 and meth and he put 1 or 2 solid car lengths on a otherwise bone stock 996TT that only has an exhaust and tune (with very slow shifts compared to DCT). If you put these cars on the dyno together, I'm certain Drew's car will make more power.

The races start at 4:44:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DLSJ5#p/a/f/0/anU7lFB1Ha8

Like I have been saying, P-cars do more with less. Much less.

As far as Drew goes, I will never say anything bad about Drew or his car. He's a friend of mine who brings a very good name to BMW owners. You could learn a lot from him.

 

Ummm....we were discussing E46s. I see you're using whatever you can to attempt to support your argument again.

Anyway, as far as the E36, are you talking about this M3 that ran 9.7 @ 154? http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredveh..._radiator.html

It looks like a dedicated drag car, but ya, it's fast. I won't argue that. Not really on topic, but a sure, it's a fast car.

 

Good Lord, talk about beating a horse

 

I don't believe any M3 (Turbo or SC) has broken 200.

I know a 613 rwhp stroked and supercharged, 3295 lb E92 M3 (stripped interior) went 181 at the Mojave Mile, but I'm not sure if that's the record.

 

I say bring the fastest M3's to the texas mile or like event and run against some of the fastest 996/997 turbos. My money is on the P-cars.

 

Actually 60-130 is all about power, traction, driver, gearing and weight. There are E36 M3's running154+ trap speeds, that shows plenty of power, more so then any 996tt/997tt. It just looks like BMW guys are just getting into the 60-130 scene. Also it requires very good traction to get very good times, which traction is hard to come by for the E46 M3.

4.x 60-130 times are intense, but it also shows how well the Porsches are setup for it compared to other cars. Seems like it is much easier to get a good time with it.

Scott that car has never ran a 9.7. That is Cams car which is actually street driven alot.

Here is the 9.7 car. Which apart from running a drag tire/wheel setup should be drivable, no way is that a dedicated drag car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=940MQRl6mdg

Here is the E30 that is also street driven.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFKtOI5Y3Oc

Not to run off topic but this is a dedicated drag BMW.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMZhbRfOAOY

That is PencilGeeks M3 and it was apparently having some issues but that is the only FI M3 ive seen go down the mile. I believe it ran a 186 at the Texas Mile. Which again shows how much more serious Porsche guys are, as there are plenty of them running at the mile runs.