BMW forum trash talking and Drag race vids...
#496
Aren't we talking mainly about E46's though? I think it's hugely driver dependent...the AA Turbo car I beat had at the very least 100 rwhp more than me....I was told 150 rwhp or so advantage. Yes I baited him to run my roll but I was pulling on him as the speeds were rising. Also the fact that the S54's need every last available rev and don't have a huge amount of power under the curve.
If he was running pump/meth he is supposed to be making 600whp at 6krpm pretty much flat to 8k rpm. So the powercurve is actually there, if he shifts ar redline he should start the next gear at around 6000-6500 rpm. So at all times he should be making 600whp, which is about 140whp more then your car (im guessing). Thats definitely enough to pull away. You might want to ask him if he has dyno'd recently and if his car is running right.
#497
Well I think he is speaking only about the E46's which have shown big power but are having some trouble posting great results. It may just take some more time just like it did with the E36's which now are showing incredible results. The trap speed some of them are running are insane and very true no 996tt or 997tt has comparable trap speeds even though some show more power.
I'm hoping this is the case as the S54 motor is incredible. My car feels like no other as mentioned by quite a few guys I has given rides to who have sat in many other high hp cars. Let's see what I can do with this car once and for all. Either I bust or come up with very impressive numbers.
And very true the new m3's are probably the fastest growing of all the m3 generations in terms of numbers. Very exciting stuff really.
I'm hoping this is the case as the S54 motor is incredible. My car feels like no other as mentioned by quite a few guys I has given rides to who have sat in many other high hp cars. Let's see what I can do with this car once and for all. Either I bust or come up with very impressive numbers.
And very true the new m3's are probably the fastest growing of all the m3 generations in terms of numbers. Very exciting stuff really.
I agree, the new M3 really is opening eyes early and the E46 just needs needs to get the setup figures out like the E36. Part of the problem is that no one has tried a bias-ply drag tire.
#498
We will see but it isn't really fair to put all that pressure on yourself. Clearly all the power is there, just a matter of using it. Your tire setup looks great though.
I agree, the new M3 really is opening eyes early and the E46 just needs needs to get the setup figures out like the E36. Part of the problem is that no one has tried a bias-ply drag tire.
I agree, the new M3 really is opening eyes early and the E46 just needs needs to get the setup figures out like the E36. Part of the problem is that no one has tried a bias-ply drag tire.
This is true, nobody has tried a true power to the ground setup. I was almost getting a setup with CCW but didnt want to spend the 2500 dollars or so at the time. I think with the tires I have on the car now, i can manage to get numbers the car deserves. As for all the other turbo E46 M3's they have to prepare for races and numbers. You cant just go out and run it, unfortunately most of the turbo E46 guys don't know much about street racing and how it actually requires tactics! Ive learned from my supercharger days and the Audi guys. And as far as 60-130 numbers, its difficult, you cant go out there and run it with no prep. Its gotta be a nice road, nice weather, nice elevation, good tires, good fuel, start at the right rpm, drive well into redline, bang the gears hard (powershift) and hold the gear to redline (130mph is redline in 4th in most of the E46 M3's). RaceMX-M3 understands this and that is why he has a very impressive 60-130 time. His time alone should be indicative enough for these cars.
I thnk since the Porsche has much better traction, times have been much easier to produce. Also its gearing seems like it is much more forgiving.
#499
Im defiitely leaning to driver as well, the gears need to be banged out to redline and shifted quickly. The car you ran was he running pump/meth or race/meth?
If he was running pump/meth he is supposed to be making 600whp at 6krpm pretty much flat to 8k rpm. So the powercurve is actually there, if he shifts ar redline he should start the next gear at around 6000-6500 rpm. So at all times he should be making 600whp, which is about 140whp more then your car (im guessing). Thats definitely enough to pull away. You might want to ask him if he has dyno'd recently and if his car is running right.
If he was running pump/meth he is supposed to be making 600whp at 6krpm pretty much flat to 8k rpm. So the powercurve is actually there, if he shifts ar redline he should start the next gear at around 6000-6500 rpm. So at all times he should be making 600whp, which is about 140whp more then your car (im guessing). Thats definitely enough to pull away. You might want to ask him if he has dyno'd recently and if his car is running right.
I pulled back close to even at the shift, and pulled out probably about a car or two through 160 mph. Normally I would have crushed him but I was naked that night.
#500
Not sure if anyone has discussed the drag coef. differences between the M and P. This may be a huge factor at speed.
#501
Edit some places state the E46 M3 drag co. is .32 and some say .33. Some say the 996tt is .32 and some say .31. Regardless the two seem very close even though the 996tt's shape looks more aerodynamic.
Last edited by SCM3; 07-04-2010 at 03:34 AM.
#502
#503
60-130 is all about power, 1/4 as you guys already said is all about the driver. The 996/997's are running the fastest 60-130's when comparing these two cars. Unless you just ran a 4 seconds flat in your car, let us know.
#504
what is the fastest an SCM3 has run in the Texas Mile?
#505
In the below video, he's running MS109 and meth and he put 1 or 2 solid car lengths on a otherwise bone stock 996TT that only has an exhaust and tune (with very slow shifts compared to DCT). If you put these cars on the dyno together, I'm certain Drew's car will make more power.
The races start at 4:44:
http://www.youtube.com/user/DLSJ5#p/a/f/0/anU7lFB1Ha8
Like I have been saying, P-cars do more with less. Much less.
As far as Drew goes, I will never say anything bad about Drew or his car. He's a friend of mine who brings a very good name to BMW owners. You could learn a lot from him.
Last edited by Divexxtreme; 07-04-2010 at 10:02 AM.
#506
Anyway, as far as the E36, are you talking about this M3 that ran 9.7 @ 154? http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredveh..._radiator.html
It looks like a dedicated drag car, but ya, it's fast. I won't argue that. Not really on topic, but a sure, it's a fast car.
#507
Good Lord, talk about beating a horse
#508
#509
I say bring the fastest M3's to the texas mile or like event and run against some of the fastest 996/997 turbos. My money is on the P-cars.
#510
4.x 60-130 times are intense, but it also shows how well the Porsches are setup for it compared to other cars. Seems like it is much easier to get a good time with it.
Ummm....we were discussing E46s. I see you're using whatever you can to attempt to support your argument again.
Anyway, as far as the E36, are you talking about this M3 that ran 9.7 @ 154? http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredveh..._radiator.html
It looks like a dedicated drag car, but ya, it's fast. I won't argue that. Not really on topic, but a sure, it's a fast car.
Anyway, as far as the E36, are you talking about this M3 that ran 9.7 @ 154? http://www.eurotuner.com/featuredveh..._radiator.html
It looks like a dedicated drag car, but ya, it's fast. I won't argue that. Not really on topic, but a sure, it's a fast car.
Here is the 9.7 car. Which apart from running a drag tire/wheel setup should be drivable, no way is that a dedicated drag car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=940MQRl6mdg
Here is the E30 that is also street driven.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFKtOI5Y3Oc
Not to run off topic but this is a dedicated drag BMW.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMZhbRfOAOY
That is PencilGeeks M3 and it was apparently having some issues but that is the only FI M3 ive seen go down the mile. I believe it ran a 186 at the Texas Mile. Which again shows how much more serious Porsche guys are, as there are plenty of them running at the mile runs.