I am a big proponent of letting the cars speak for themselves, unfortunately there were some things going on in this thread that did not show BMW owners in the best light. It was being said that no one jumped in to defend BMW that the conversation is about the people involved.

You can't fight or battle every BMW argument, there are some people who will just never get your passion for the car.

 

This thread has actually given me alot of entertainment and im loving it! It is also showing the truth about BMW's. Couple of years ago there was no blisteringly quick 996tt's. I remember following Marks crazy 996TT build and finally seeing videos! At the time there were no faster 996's and there were no built tubo E46 M3's running around. Now there are plenty of very fast Porsches, with incredible 60-130 times. Hopefully now we can see the same process happen for the little old E46 M3.

 

 

I guess Should someone have to get in your bimmer post. Posting how special is P car, all support suspension/platform along with tough but very easy to mod into supercar terror. If somes do not agree(cause they have no open mind. I try to think like you.), I would start endless explanation and worldwide data to support. If all agree, I would go back to hug my teddy bear to sleep tight.

 

Wow. Really? You're saying I initiated this?

You came in this thread because you were upset that Prodigy beat Batta from a dig and then refused to race him from a roll. Thats is where the arguments all bega. You felt the need to come defend the honor of a BMW that lost a dang race. Shall I show you your posts?

As far as superiority, yes, I honestly do feel the P-car is superior. But not only because of straight-line speed.

Regardless, you really shouldn't care what I think and feel the need to prove me wrong. It's only my opionion. It's worth all of 2 cents (if that).

 

No one is telling you what to buy. If you equate posting in the 996 section to attempting to get people who already made their purchase decision to switch to BMW I can't help you as I am not ready to make that large of a generalization.

I doubt you would be willing to ever engage any of us in a forum where you don't control the moderation

P-car outperforms the BMW consistently? Uh, in what way? A stock 911 turbo is faster than a stock M3? Yep. Does the M3 outperform the base 911? Yep, sure does. So Porsche has a wider spectrum of performance cars, we all know this. Once you start modding this is out the window though. My car will hand the vast majority of P-cars on this site their ***, on stock internals and single digit boost with pump gas no less. Sounds like a pretty awesome platform to me.

You are "betting" you are more open minded than Taza and I combined? Heh, well, your bet is not something tangible that we can use to prove it one way or another. That is simply your opinion and I respectfully disagree with your assessment. I don't consider you making a statement based on your opinion concrete evidence. If I wasn't open minded I wouldn't read as many various performance forums as I do simply to learn.

I did not realize you considered discussing cars a waste. If so, why do you choose to put in the time moderate this whole landfill?

 

Agreed, I love watching how the game has moved on. If you had of told me 5 years ago that there would be bone stock cars capable of running 10's off the showroom floor I would have slapped myself!

 

I am saying you pushed the discussion into evaluating the cars based on straight line performance, yes.

I agree with your concluding point, so why take offense to my opinion?

 

Do you honestly think an E90 M3 is a good platform for going fast, if you value only straight line speed?

 

This is very well written.

 

Absolutely, why not?

600 whp on stock internals on 91 octane? More power than a ZR-1 for far less money and backseats and a dual clutch tranny to go with it? Sounds awesome to me.

 

Dude...honestly, nothing you guys have posted or discussed in this thread have changed my thoughts about BMW as a modding platform. I already knew most of this stuff already. No breaking news here.

Compared to Porsche, I think the BMWs take a LOT more work to be fast. And even then, they seem to be very inconsistent on the street.

I don't get why you think arguing these points matters in anyway whatsoever? Just enjoy your car and think twice before racing from a dig on the street on video. What we think doesn't mean ****.

 

No one here is trying to control your mind or force you to do anything.

What is wrong with providing supplemental information and allowing users to decide for themselves?

 

That is your opinion Scott, I respect that and dont need to argue with you about that. I think they are both awesome modding platforms, both are pretty expensive to mod however imo with the Porsche being much more.

Another thing is that I would drive my M3 over a modded 996tt. I would drive a HPF stg 2-4 M3 over a modded 996tt as well. You dont need to argue with me on that, I know you disagree but thats your opinion. I did have access to driving a modded 996tt everyday (and a 997tt now) if i wanted to but the M3 is just so much funner to me.

We saw some videos of BMW's beating Porsches, how is that consistent?

Scott I am open minded, i dont get where that comment is coming from. I back up BMW just like you back up Porsche.

 

Far less money? Can I drink the Kool-Aid? Wow I can't argue with someone who thinks 2 plus 2 is 3. So if you option one up loaded for about $ 80k and then add tax and licensing plus $16k for a Gintani S/C and then you end up with a car slower than a stock ZR1 that sounds awesome?

Please read my question again.....