The only problem with BMW modding platform compared to a Porsche is traction. That is it. Aside from the traction issue (which can be fixed with the right tire/wheel setup), what makes Porsche a better modding platform?

 

What? You have been drinking something, that is for sure.

Uh, you load one up and you are at around 72k like mine was and you don't have to pay sticker either like I didn't back in 2008.

Gintani SC is $13,500. I guess my addition doesn't work like yours?

Yep, it is a good platform if you only value straight line speed. What other new car are you going to get that will do better for less than $100k? A GT500? A Z06 will need boost. A GTR is more money to start with and you will need to get into expensive mods like upgraded turbos to top it. Everything else is more expensive so like I said, yep, it is awesome.

 

No, actually I mentioned that Porsche was much faster around the 'ring, more easily modified, and even comes out higher on JD Power's initial quality rankings.

You guys are the ones pushing staright line perforemance becuase that's the only place BMW seems to be able to compete (with built motors that is).

I'm saying all-around, in every way other than holding 4-people, I believe Porsche to be superior.

But that's only my opinion. Don't let it bother you so much.

 

Exactly and with a Porsche you get to hang out with these guys. That has got to be worth something.

 

Scott,
Very well said. They said open mind repeatlly. They didn't even open their eyes or ears.
For sport driving exp. and I mean fast, thrill all around race condition track, high speed, dick or roll, P car is superior. It is also easy to mod.
BMW M3,5 are also good but not as good. In case you need more space for four. (Sorry I omitt panamera TT.)
Can you take the fact? Or would it be not open-mind on your side.

 

It is, as it applies perfectly to you.

 

The fact that you feel you need to do it.

 

Oh, well, some mags choose the M3 even over the 911 turbo so it seems there is support for both sides, eh? How many times has BMW won engine of the year vs. Porsche? Isn't BMW leading that category? Seems a panel of engineers thinks BMW has Porsche beat there.

Ummm, only straight line performance? How many times do I have to say the M3 takes the 911 around the track? Even the 911 turbo with far more power is 4/10's quicker around Laguna Seca, that tells you the M3 is making up the power differential in the turns. That would be from that same article where they picked the M3 over the GTR and 911 turbo

My opinion is that the 911 is an outdated platform Porsche is forceably protecting as if the Cayman/Boxster received the same motors and development they would outperform it. So, there is a flaw that Porsche recognizes internally and it will be interesting to see what they do. You all know it, Porsche knows it, I know it, just will you admit it? The BMW is the better all around platform especially due to the 4 seats, better balance, ease to drive at the limit, and better daily usability. That is just my opinion and I hope it does not bother any of you.

 

The fact that I feel the need to participate in a topic that by default involved me considering where it originated? The fact that I am posting in said topic on a forum? So, this should just be a place where people read and not participate? I don't follow your logic. Why do you feel the need to post?

 

Stock 996TTs and 997TTs aren't the most exciting cars to drive. They are so good, they are almost boring.


Okay so a video means constistency? Got it. So the video of 450 rwhp GT2 with a total of two modifications beating the 600+ rwhp HPF car from a dog and a roll must mean that's consistently wht happens. Check.

When you guys get 60-130 and standing mile times like we are, and when E46 and newer cars start running 9s and 10's in the 1/4 with bolt-ons, come back and talk to me. Until then, no...the performance is not consistent.

Let me repeat what I'm saying. You guys come over HERE to argue the merits of your cars to a bunch of Porsche guys, as if our opinion means so much to you that you simply can't control yourself. It's a bit pathetic.

 

Whatelse do you need? Power without traction in Bmw sounds great too you?
BTW: any turbo m3 do any remarkable job in the Rings?

 

Apparently prices are on the rise, its a beautiful thing when you can back up your posts with actual real numbers. I built one 2 days ago fully loaded to my specs and came in right around $80k.

http://gintani.com/index.php?main_pa...products_id=14

So again I ask how is $96k wayyyyy cheaper than a ZR1? And with the Gintani kit you get a handshake to go with your voided engine warranty. The ZR1 does not run XX.XX @ 130 mph....it does not run 12.XX like you do with 130 mph traps....and it has a 100k mile warranty, even if you run it down the drag strip every weekend!

If straight line speed is all you care about then why drive around in a fat azz luxury car with girl part warmers and Nav? Why not buy a car that for the price of a supercharger it already runs faster and can actually put the power down? Wow I have heard it all someone who bought a $72k car just for its skill at going fast in a straight line!

Sell your M3 and get a Mustang, you will have no problem breaking into the 9's instead of dreaming about it after how much $$$$$ in mods?

 

Hello, is this thing on???

BOLT-ONS on a stock motor make huge power.

Sheesh...

 

A Z06 will need boost? To do what? Last time I checked they can run as fast as you do after $15k or more pretty much bone stock. Where do you get your facts from, are you that blinded?

 

Uh, hey, I actually have the SC? Like I said, $13,500. Don't believe me? Pick up the phone or maybe I imagined the whole transaction.

You built one and it came to $80k? Not sure what you did to it, mine was fully loaded with DCT except for park distance control and I got it for under $70k when it first hit. You actually pay sticker? Then yes, sounds like you might have trouble with the price then.

So $70k + $13,500 = $83,500. Buy used, and it is even less. Yep, way less than a ZR-1 for more power. Name another 4 seat DCT car that can do that. Name another car period that can do that for that price, basically only the GT500.

I didn't buy the car just for going in a straight line, you asked me if I thought it was a good platform for it and I answered, didn't I? Now you are equating that to only caring about the straight line? Uh, sorry, try to focus not just tell yourself what you want to hear.

If I wanted a Mustang wouldn't I already have one? I would rather break into the 9's in an M3. I'm not into being a sheep and doing what is easier or what everyone else does, thanks. You should tell all these people modding their 911 turbos what a waste of money it is as they could have just picked up a used Gallardo and sent it to UGR. The fools!