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Old 07-24-2010 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Willis
First, I've seen data that suggests the ZR1 is faster than indicated here. No offense, but there are always different sources and one can prove just about anything by selectively choosing test data. My impression has been the ZR1 is the faster car while the Porsche is the better car.
If would please point me to the data suggesting that the ZR1 went faster from 0-186 mph (0-300 km/h) than is listed above, I'd greatly appreciate it. The only other 0-186 test I was able to find for the ZR1 showed it being 4 seconds slower than this one, at 36.6 seconds (I used the faster of the two).

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Oh come on, didn't you see the smiley face at the end? My whole comment was in jest. I was poking fun at how serious YOUR post came across. It was intended as a ironic comment on many Porsche owners, most of whom wouldn't even know this forum exists.

Glad you enjoy your GM products. Personally, I do think the C6 is a supercar. That's what I love -- everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
If would please point me to the data suggesting that the ZR1 went faster from 0-186 mph (0-300 km/h) than is listed above, I'd greatly appreciate it. The only other 0-186 test I was able to find for the ZR1 showed it being 4 seconds slower than this one, at 36.6 seconds (I used the faster of the two).

Thank you.
I watched a video on line, Top Gear I think, or maybe the German show, that ran acceleration tests and I recall the ZR1 came in under 30 seconds. The car is just incredible if all you care about is speed, in a straight line, on fast curves, or on just about any track.

But I was really thinking of a well driven ZR1 I saw at the Maxton Mile, tryingfor the 200 mph mark in the standing mile. It did just under 28 seconds completley stock, very good for a stock car, I thought, and just over 26 seconds with just a pulley change and not even re-programming. With a 100 dry NOS shot, a re-flashed ECM, and 103 octane, they guy did 25. My '02 'vette had a Charlie Hempfield build C5R and 12 lbs of boost with methanol injection for 885+RWHP and it would do only just under 25: so the ZR1 hasis quite an engine, and its in a car that tracks and brakes as good as anything.

This best stock car there was a 599 by the way, which did 26.5 or something. My F430, which has a way-too-expensive upgrade using only factory parts for 522 HP rated, and a tune, did only 34.5 to 300 kph (AC off), much improved over a base 430 and matching a Scuderia, but six seconds behind the stock ZR1, but it did 37 with the AC on, two on board, and the fitted luggage (matches the upholstery) full of our clothes and stuff for the night sitting in their places behind the seats. I personally liked that.
 
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Old 07-24-2010 | 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lee Willis
I watched a video on line, Top Gear I think, or maybe the German show, that ran acceleration tests and I recall the ZR1 came in under 30 seconds. The car is just incredible if all you care about is speed, in a straight line, on fast curves, or on just about any track.

But I was really thinking of a well driven ZR1 I saw at the Maxton Mile, tryingfor the 200 mph mark in the standing mile. It did just under 28 seconds completley stock, very good for a stock car, I thought, and just over 26 seconds with just a pulley change and not even re-programming. With a 100 dry NOS shot, a re-flashed ECM, and 103 octane, they guy did 25. My '02 'vette had a Charlie Hempfield build C5R and 12 lbs of boost with methanol injection for 885+RWHP and it would do only just under 25: so the ZR1 hasis quite an engine, and its in a car that tracks and brakes as good as anything.

This best stock car there was a 599 by the way, which did 26.5 or something. My F430, which has a way-too-expensive upgrade using only factory parts for 522 HP rated, and a tune, did only 34.5 to 300 kph (AC off), much improved over a base 430 and matching a Scuderia, but six seconds behind the stock ZR1, but it did 37 with the AC on, two on board, and the fitted luggage (matches the upholstery) full of our clothes and stuff for the night sitting in their places behind the seats. I personally liked that.
Thanks.

Sounds like it was a fast day at the Maxim Mile. I was able to find a verified 29.9 second run by a 599 GTB (3.5 to 100 km/h, 10.3 to 200 km/h, 29.9 to 300 km/h), so using that as a template, I'm guessing a well driven GT2 RS could have hit 24-25 seconds at the same event. Especially considering it has the same hp (620), yet weighs 700 lbs less (3,020 vs 3,722)

Modded cars are a totally different ballgame, of course. Heck, we have a street Porsche on here that went 0-186 in 14.3, and that's not nearly as fast as some of the modded Supras and Vipers out there (some of which have done it in 7-8 seconds).

Regardless, considering all the available data, it certainly seems as if the GT2 RS is one of the fastest production cars in the world.
 

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Ah, Geez. You're saying a GT2 RS would beat a 599 by nearly 5 seconds. That is certainly far from fact based.

There really is something sort of sad about someone so tied up in identifying with any car that they rationalize this much. There is always a faster car. Usually many, and certainly many in this class -- you're not that near the very top. You've taken the fastest most extreme of the 911 line, a car made so extreme by the factory in the pursuit of performance that it is not possibly a real daily driver anymore. You compare it to the slowest tests I've heard of the 599 (most give 27-28 seconds, I was not aware of one near 30 sec) for the base version of the 599. Then you rationalize a few seconds for the RS. Really. Compare apples to apples: take one of the factory performance models of the 599 -- the XX is basically Ferrari's equivalent of the GT2 RS--it would own an RS. A GTO would merely kill it. I enjoy talking about cars -- any cars, and I am not a fanatic about Ferraris -- but regardless, I like to stick somewhere close to reality.
 

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Originally Posted by Lee Willis
Ah, Geez. You're saying a GT2 RS would beat a 599 by nearly 5 seconds. That is certainly far from fact based.
You claimed earlier a stock 599 ran 26.5 at the Maxim Mile. That's 4 seconds faster than the fastest verified time I'm able to find (29.9). That claim is not based in fact, either.

My point is, if a stock 599 GTB really did run a 26.5 at the Maxim Mile (which I don't believe), than I'm pretty sure a 997 GT RS would have run a 24 or 25 using the same timing equipment, same driver, considering it weighs 700 lbs less, makes the same power, and has a 'verified' 28.9 second 0-186 time...which is faster than the 599's fastest verified time.

There really is something sort of sad about someone so tied up in identifying with any car that they rationalize this much. There is always a faster car. Usually many, and certainly many in this class -- you're not that near the very top. You've taken the fastest most extreme of the 911 line, a car made so extreme by the factory in the pursuit of performance that it is not possibly a real daily driver anymore. You compare it to the slowest tests I've heard of the 599 (most give 27-28 seconds, I was not aware of one near 30 sec) for the base version of the 599. Then you rationalize a few seconds for the RS. Really. Compare apples to apples: take one of the factory performance models of the 599 -- the XX is basically Ferrari's equivalent of the GT2 RS--it would own an RS. A GTO would merely kill it. I enjoy talking about cars -- any cars, and I am not a fanatic about Ferraris -- but regardless, I like to stick somewhere close to reality.
Again, I'm open to you pointing me to a faster 0-300 km/h time than 29.9 for a stock 599 GTB. I'm unable to locate it. Earlier, I asked you to provide proof that a ZR1 went faster than 32.6 (as you claimed) and you didn't. You said you thought you saw it on a "Top Gear episode". Helpful.

As far as reality, the GT2 RS is a street-legal car. You want to compare the XX to a 100% street-legal car? Talk about rationalization. The GTO however, is very impressive. No one here said it wasn't.

I do agree with you that there is something sad about someone so tied up in identifying with any car that they rationalize this much.

This thread was created about one thing: the fact that the GT2 RS ran a faster time than the ZR1 in 0-300 km/h (I used the fastest 0-300 km/h time I could find for the ZR1). You decided to bring into the conversation; GTB's, GTO's, XX's, modded F430's, Aston's...for what? To brag about the cars you've owned? No one cares on this forum. No matter how impressive a person's garage is, there's another member who has a more impressive garage right around the corner.

So back on point; considering the verifiable data, the GT2 RS is proving to be one of the fastest production cars on the planet....just as I stated earlier.

Nice job, Porsche.
 

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What are the 60-130 times for the Ferrari 430 & 599?
 
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I have had 1 myself. It was a 2000 Hardtop Vette (body style of the Z06, but the LS1 motor). My brother Lil Powell has a 99 Hardtop that's HEAVILY modded. I almost bought an 07 Z06 when I picked up the Porsche, but I just didn't want another Vette. I wanted something you don't see everyday. I swear to you, one afternoon about a year after I go the Porsche I went on a 30-45 minute drive to go see a friend, during that period I saw 6 new Z06s and like 5 standard Corvettes. You know what I didn't see? One Porsche, not even a Boxter.
Well go to southern Florida, Porsches are like Honda Civics there everywhere!
 
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Its evident all the race technology Porsche invested in the GT2 RS. Impressive indeed.

I read that Porsche plans only to sell 300.
 
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Originally Posted by PAULIEWALNUTS
What are the 60-130 times for the Ferrari 430 & 599?
The F430 is a high 9, low 10 second car. A bit slower than a 997.1TT.

I don't have 60-130 data for a 599 GTB, but extrapolating from its 100-200 km/h times (62-124 mph), it's seems to be about the same as a ZR1; high 7's. It really moves out for a 3,700 lb car.
 
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What are the 60-130mph for a stock 996 GT2 and slightly modded (tune 1.1bar +drop in filter +exhaust) i know that numbers for modded cars differ from tuner to another but what are average numbers.
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Wow, it's comments like these that make me wonder whether I should have bought a Porsche. I hate the idea of being associated with pompous, narrow-minded people that think that an American car can't possible be as good.

Need I remind you of the times of the ZR-1 and CTS-V around the 'Ring? Pretty sure that is not just a 'straight line'.

Personally, I loved my C6. So much better looking than my 996TT. The only reason I downgraded to the P-car was so I could use it in the snow as my winter beater
LOL wow , really ? you consider the 996tt a downgrade to the plactic filled wonderland c6 ? i want what you are smoking.
 
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Originally Posted by autodynamics
What are the 60-130mph for a stock 996 GT2 and slightly modded (tune 1.1bar +drop in filter +exhaust) i know that numbers for modded cars differ from tuner to another but what are average numbers.
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Probably in the high 8-second range.
 
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the fact the you find the ason a better handling car is a first for me , and a lot of other people ,friends that i know , i have driven a few , watched it on supercars exposed beeing a boat in turns , so i dont know how you come up with that , but ......, good for you.

alsom the 997gt2 rs is a very streetable every day car .far from elxtreme as you state.the ferrari beeing the better deal ? anyway you can think what you want .

but the ferrari would get crushed by the gt2rs
 
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Originally Posted by Divexxtreme
Probably in the high 8-second range.
High 8 second for the stock or modded?
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