GT2 RS vs ZR1 0-300 km/h data
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07-25-2010 | 12:56 PM
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Modded for high 8's. Stock is high 9's/low 10's.
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07-25-2010 | 02:54 PM
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I have C6 Z06 with the upgraded interior and a 996 GT2. The vette is way behind in terms of the interior and the fit and finish. The interior in the 2002 Porsche is dated but better quality than the 2008 Z06.
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07-26-2010 | 08:21 AM
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Ah, Geez. You're saying a GT2 RS would beat a 599 by nearly 5 seconds. That is certainly far from fact based.
There really is something sort of sad about someone so tied up in identifying with any car that they rationalize this much. There is always a faster car. Usually many, and certainly many in this class -- you're not that near the very top. You've taken the fastest most extreme of the 911 line, a car made so extreme by the factory in the pursuit of performance that it is not possibly a real daily driver anymore. You compare it to the slowest tests I've heard of the 599 (most give 27-28 seconds, I was not aware of one near 30 sec) for the base version of the 599. Then you rationalize a few seconds for the RS. Really. Compare apples to apples: take one of the factory performance models of the 599 -- the XX is basically Ferrari's equivalent of the GT2 RS--it would own an RS. A GTO would merely kill it. I enjoy talking about cars -- any cars, and I am not a fanatic about Ferraris -- but regardless, I like to stick somewhere close to reality.
There really is something sort of sad about someone so tied up in identifying with any car that they rationalize this much. There is always a faster car. Usually many, and certainly many in this class -- you're not that near the very top. You've taken the fastest most extreme of the 911 line, a car made so extreme by the factory in the pursuit of performance that it is not possibly a real daily driver anymore. You compare it to the slowest tests I've heard of the 599 (most give 27-28 seconds, I was not aware of one near 30 sec) for the base version of the 599. Then you rationalize a few seconds for the RS. Really. Compare apples to apples: take one of the factory performance models of the 599 -- the XX is basically Ferrari's equivalent of the GT2 RS--it would own an RS. A GTO would merely kill it. I enjoy talking about cars -- any cars, and I am not a fanatic about Ferraris -- but regardless, I like to stick somewhere close to reality.
Now you are talking about non-production cars that are not street legal, the gt2rs is and the 599XX is not.
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07-26-2010 | 01:47 PM
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I've owned a Corvette and Porsche. The porsche is just that much more focused, buttoned down and sharp. The quality of a P car can only be appreciated after years of ownership and some flogging... the only thing I miss? Burnouts..... I want a car to do long, smokey burnouts in... Viper?
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07-26-2010 | 04:18 PM
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There was no race. This is just a comparison of times found in publications or on the internet, not a side by side comparison.
Here is a video of a stock ZR1 doing the Texas mile at 184mph (a little shy of 300 km/h) and the time seems to be in the 28-29 sec range. Not the best edited video, skip ahead to ~1.:40 for him to start his run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxByt-DJMTs
Here is a video of a stock ZR1 doing the Texas mile at 184mph (a little shy of 300 km/h) and the time seems to be in the 28-29 sec range. Not the best edited video, skip ahead to ~1.:40 for him to start his run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxByt-DJMTs
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07-26-2010 | 05:22 PM
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There was no race. This is just a comparison of times found in publications or on the internet, not a side by side comparison.
Here is a video of a stock ZR1 doing the Texas mile at 184mph (a little shy of 300 km/h) and the time seems to be in the 28-29 sec range. Not the best edited video, skip ahead to ~1.:40 for him to start his run.
Here is a video of a stock ZR1 doing the Texas mile at 184mph (a little shy of 300 km/h) and the time seems to be in the 28-29 sec range. Not the best edited video, skip ahead to ~1.:40 for him to start his run.
Not only that, but the time from 184-186.4 (300 km/h) is around a 1.5 seconds for a 184 mph car. So, even if your video was 100% accurate (which it's not), it would still be around 30-31 second mark.
Neil, no one is making fun of your Dad's ZR1. I think they are great cars. I'm simply saying that from the "measured, verifiable" data that exists, the GT2 RS is faster all the way to 186 mph.
For good measure, here's another ZR1 test. This one is 4 seconds slower than the first one I posted:
0-100 km/h: 3.4 sec
0-200 km/h: 11.7 sec
0-300 km/h: 36.6 sec
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07-26-2010 | 06:41 PM
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Not only that, but the time from 184-186.4 (300 km/h) is around a 1.5 seconds for a 184 mph car. So, even if your video was 100% accurate (which it's not), it would still be around 30-31 second mark.
Neil, no one is making fun of your Dad's ZR1. I think they are great cars. I'm simply saying that from the "measured, verifiable" data that exists, the GT2 RS is faster all the way to 186 mph.
For good measure, here's another ZR1 test. This one is 4 seconds slower than the first one I posted:
0-100 km/h: 3.4 sec
0-200 km/h: 11.7 sec
0-300 km/h: 36.6 sec
Neil, no one is making fun of your Dad's ZR1. I think they are great cars. I'm simply saying that from the "measured, verifiable" data that exists, the GT2 RS is faster all the way to 186 mph.
For good measure, here's another ZR1 test. This one is 4 seconds slower than the first one I posted:
0-100 km/h: 3.4 sec
0-200 km/h: 11.7 sec
0-300 km/h: 36.6 sec
So now we are using the time counter on youtube videos to measure acceleration times? Talk about desperation. Try doing that on TWR to measure 1/4 mile times and see how far it gets you.
I posted the Texas Mile video because there was a discussion earlier in the thread about the ZR1 running the standing mile and that was the only video of a stock one that I knew of. I never said that it showed that the ZR1 was faster than the GT2 RS, but I think is does show that it can run faster than 32.6. You can joke all you want but when you know his speed in the mile it is not that hard to get a time to speed accurate to about 1 sec from the video. We are not talking .1 or .01 of a sec here like you would argure over for 1/4 mile times.
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07-26-2010 | 07:34 PM
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You and I both know that set of data is ridicules for a ZR1. 11.7 sec to 124 mph? They must of had horrible traction issues. A ZR1 has made it to 133mph in almost a full second faster, which means that is made it to 124 (or 200km/h) is less than 10. And where in my post did I even refute your claim? It is a decent comparison based on the information available to you, but as shown by the post above it has a few people thinking that it is a true head to head comparison when it is not. The numbers are close enough that environmental differences from the different test days can be a factor, especially for a high speed run. The GT2 RS may very well be faster from a standing start to high speeds, but you need a head to head comparison with competent drivers for both cars to really put the issue to rest.
The GT2 RS's conditions were no better than the ZR1's. The driver was no better. The ZR1 even got a better launch than the GT2 and ran a quicker time from 0-100 km/h. Yet, the GT2 still ran a better 0-300 km/h time than the fastest ZR1 time I can locate. It flat ran it down. Hard.
I think with a better driver and more optimal conditions (like all of the ZR1's had when they trapped 133 mph), the GT2 RS would definitely show itself to be even faster than this test indicates.
More proof? Consider the video of a ZR1 vs a 997TT PDK here below. The 997TT is only rated at 500 HP, and weighs 3600 lbs, and runs 0-300 km/h in around 41 seconds.
Even with all that going against it, it still wins the first race, while the ZR1 wins the second. The cars seem pretty evenly matched from the looks of the video. Close enough that if the ZR1 driver makes one mistake, or loses traction for one second, the Porsche will win.
Now, imagine what a Porsche with 120 more HP, and 500 lbs less weight would have done to the ZR1? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCw88BNJAPM
The guy that I purchased my car from actually owns a stock '08 997 GT2 (not the RS) as well as a '09 ZR1. I spoke to him on the phone on Thursday and he told me that he and his drag-racing buddy raced both cars from a roll 2 or 3 times. Guess what? It was a dead heat everytime.
I don't know what to tell you. The ZR1 is a very fast car, no doubt. But it seems that the GT2 RS is faster.
Lastly, I'll be more than happy to lower the boost on my car to what the GT2 RS should be putting down based on it's 'claimed' crank HP (540-550'ish rwhp), and we'll do a few runs against your Dad's ZR1, pump gas to pump gas, and get it on video. My car weighs app. 150 lbs more than the RS does, but I'm happy to give you that advantage. Let me know.
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07-26-2010 | 08:03 PM
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It is.
I don't want you guys to get the wrong impression. Neil's actually a good guy. Very polite and a true enthusiast.
I don't want you guys to get the wrong impression. Neil's actually a good guy. Very polite and a true enthusiast.