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Originally Posted by GT2996TT
It is their own piggyback controlling the 2 throttle bodies, all 12 injectors and boost. It works in conjunction with the stock ECU to let it think that everything is being controlled by it. The second set of injectors does not start working until 75mph as far as I can remember, and their car passes Euro4 emission regulations, or even more stringent Swiss emissions rules.
I don't know much about their internal mods other than the engine can rev up to 8600 RPM.
If it is a piggy back system doing this ..... then my guess is it is a LINK system. I'm not being nasty, however I highly doubt it is their system. Then again, I have been wrong before.
 
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If it is a piggy back system doing this ..... then my guess is it is a LINK system. I'm not being nasty, however I highly doubt it is their system. Then again, I have been wrong before.
You are this time, I can't really say too much but it is 200% theirs
 
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Originally Posted by GT2996TT
It is their own piggyback controlling the 2 throttle bodies, all 12 injectors and boost. It works in conjunction with the stock ECU to let it think that everything is being controlled by it. The second set of injectors does not start working until 75mph as far as I can remember, and their car passes Euro4 emission regulations, or even more stringent Swiss emissions rules.
I don't know much about their internal mods other than the engine can rev up to 8600 RPM.
Interesting to see staged injectors working based on speed.. That doesnt make too much sense to me..

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Interesting to see staged injectors working based on speed.. That doesnt make too much sense to me..

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If you think meeting very stringent emissions regulations, it actually does and I never said they were speed-controlled, as in load-speed/density-MAF-whatever based
 

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Originally Posted by GT2996TT
If you think meeting very stringent emissions regulations, it actually does and I never said they were speed-controlled, as in load-speed/density-MAF-whatever based
Maybe i misunderstood as it says the 2nd second of injectors are set to activate at 75mph..

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Originally Posted by Mike@AwdMotorsports
Maybe i misunderstood as it says the 2nd second of injectors are set to activate at 75mph..

Mike

There are also two Bosch injectors per cylinder, so the first injector tapers off a bit as the second injector chimes in near that juicy 4500-rpm mark. From then on, both inject equally. Using one fatter injector would create homologation problems. Bypass valves on the four-barrel Sportec exhaust open at 4600 rpm, adding to the speed ****tail.

from the article linked above
 
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Originally Posted by GT2996TT
You are this time, I can't really say too much but it is 200% theirs
OK. I'll trust you.

I can also tell you for about 2K you can piggy back a Link system that will control dual servo's as well as multiple staged injectors along with any other motor function you want (or don't want). It pulls no power from the ECU. I don't particularly like piggies, but this one works very well.

Anyway, Sportec definitely belongs in the Who's Who.
 

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There are also two Bosch injectors per cylinder, so the first injector tapers off a bit as the second injector chimes in near that juicy 4500-rpm mark. From then on, both inject equally. Using one fatter injector would create homologation problems. Bypass valves on the four-barrel Sportec exhaust open at 4600 rpm, adding to the speed ****tail.

from the article linked above
My guess is this was more than a year ago. In the early days good larger single injectors were not around. Now they are. The only reason we are using duals on our current build is ethanol uses about 30% more fuel for the same power gas delivers. An then ..... there is the nitrous. But then, low boost and no nitrous and the primary injectors work well.
 

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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
There are also two Bosch injectors per cylinder, so the first injector tapers off a bit as the second injector chimes in near that juicy 4500-rpm mark. From then on, both inject equally. Using one fatter injector would create homologation problems. Bypass valves on the four-barrel Sportec exhaust open at 4600 rpm, adding to the speed ****tail.

from the article linked above
RPM & load based makes sense.. Speed based i thought was a bit odd.. 10% throttle, 6th gear, 75mph not sure why would a 2nd set of injectors are coming in..
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
My guess is this was more than a year ago. In the early days good larger single injectors were not around. Now they are. The only reason we are using duals on our current build is ethanol uses about 30% more fuel for the same power gas delivers. An then ..... there is the nitrous.

article is november 2007, build and design work probably started in 05/06 so there you go..back to the days of very expensive ****ty injectors
 
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Originally Posted by cjv
My guess is this was more than a year ago. In the early days good larger single injectors were not around. Now they are. The only reason we are using duals on our current build is ethanol uses about 30% more fuel for the same power gas delivers. An then ..... there is the nitrous.
We used staged injectors on Haltech a while back as well before the high impedance 2000cc was affordable and available.. Now i try to keep things simple as possible.. 1 set of good injectors works for 99% of most apps.. Unless Methanol is involved which is 2.2x more fuel used than gas.. then we use 10-12 on 4cyl apps..

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Originally Posted by OS Inspector
article is november 2007, build and design work probably started in 05/06 so there you go..back to the days of very expensive ****ty injectors
or go to peak and hold ...... in those days.
 

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Wow what a fun trip down memory lane this is... there's so much I can't even remember where to begin. )
Alex, if Todd Z is still with you get him to chime in. I'm know he has some great stories.
 
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Speaking of larger injectors. If memory serves me correctly, EVOMS was the first to use larger injectors on our motors. I should know, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out where Todd Z was getting them.
 
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Chad,

Evoms had a Stage IV and had done one Stage V when I dropped my car off in PA. They were definitely on the cutting edge at the time. Right after the shootout Evoms developed the GT packages and used the hybrid turbo which made great power but reduced the lag of the Stage V turbos.
I am guessing the "GT" name was derived from the TIAL turbo which had names like GT 25, etc. These turbo's had their advantages over the T tubo's that both EVOMS (Stage V) and Protomotive (as in Wilbur's car) were using back then.
 

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